Salutations, Cool Cat. I've returned from my (cough) mediocre (cough) trip with my girlfriend from the states and I've returned to Wikipedia. Happy New Year, and I'll return to work; feel free to ask for any assistance on the articles as always, my friend.
P.S. -Happy New Years! -MegamanZero|Talk 13:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Ahoy! Welcome back to the WFSWikipedia. I am currently working on redoing the Oh My Goddess! character pages. As most being subs, its a rather demanding task, but hey thats ok. I am having difficulty finding good manga images of various characters, including Hijiri etc. Or even Belldandy.
If you are up for the task, please convert images to .png format and use the Image:Character name (Oh My Goddess manga).png format:) -- Catchi? 16:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Concerning your recent edits to the OMG articles, may I inquire why you have transmogrified the templates again..? I thought they were fine the way they were; as the different corresponding colors gave each respective character page a distinct personality. I am not complaining, however, the new templates look very nice; I just found the new choice a tad odd. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh the colours were confusing. And often made the text unreadable (such as on skulds page). New template is more generic. The complete list of avalible commands you can use on the template is avalible at templates own page: Template:Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic, fields left blank will not appear on the page (this takes care of tens of redudent unkowns and N/As. -- Catchi? 16:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
There he goes again
Looks like davenbell is up to his slanderous habbits once again- he's sniping you: (here) and (here), (see near the bottom of the page)..... -_- -MegamanZero|Talk 19:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh I am well aware. Dec 6 edit. He will not suceed in provoking me like that tho:) -- Catchi? 20:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Nevertheless, I gave him a little piece-of-mind about his disregard for other's consideration and wikipedia policy on his talkpage. -MegamanZero|Talk 20:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Meh he hasnt made edits since dec 6 :P I doubt he'll ever read. I really dont care about him much ^-^' Thanks for the heads up though. -- Catchi? 20:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
{{Usernameblock}}
Ever since the TheOrgy's arrivial, I has noticed that his username means very rude description in regard to the english language, and I find that somewhat offensive. Perhaps a "Usernameblock" template is in order. -MegamanZero|Talk 21:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... I can try to arrange that. -- Catchi? 21:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok done. You should thank User:Phroziac for her assistance.:) -- Catchi? 15:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
rv error
(moved Template:User browser:Firefox to Template:User Firefox: LEAVE IT ALONE!)
it is meant to be: User firefox -So we now have quad-redirects :P Ian13ID:540053 21:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok I moved it to template:User firefox I am terribly sorry for my mistake its just that I am tired of the moveing of this template, the changing image on display and all the copyright paranoia with it. -- Catchi? 21:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Gallery
Thanks for cleaning that up for me! Have a Working Man's Barnstar for your good work there, and on Jimbo's travel schedule! -- Essjay · Talk 17:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
O_O' You know everything I do? You know all! /me panics like there is no tomorow... -- Catchi? 17:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Userpage
I added some new sections to my userpage, tell me what you think. -MegamanZero|Talk 15:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I also have some breaking news: I've discovered more cats that edit wikipedia like you:
I have yet to find sufficient edvidence weather you all are related though. However, User:Kitty shares a close resemblense with you, he might be a distant cousin.:) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh we the cat cabal are taking over wiki :P -- Catchi? 20:12, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
CAT CABAL!!! Noooo!!! ...Wait, that's not so bad- free tuna and milk, right..? I'm in. BTW, what do you think of the new "Un-civilty and inconsideration on Wikipedia is a dangerous path" and personality section on my usepoage I just added..? -MegamanZero|Talk 20:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I really cannot comment on your views regarding RfCs. Given I support Kellys actions (just not her speed). I think people are spending too much time on such a minor issue. It's a "show an arbitrator with mud" case... -- Catchi? 21:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I was referring to how I set it up like your vandalism section. What's your opinion on that..? Don't you think they're similiar..? Also see this for my view on the subject- I also agree with Ms. Kelly's actions, but she handled them in a very wrong manner. -MegamanZero|Talk 21:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
OH it looks fine, tho often opinions of other users on userpages can be disasterious. -- Catchi? 22:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
New user box
Hi Cool Cat,
You seem to have every wikibox under the sun and that inspired me to make a new one for you!
Enjoy!
P.S. Let me know if you're a leftie! Kevin 23:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Firstly, that userbox is exactly what started this shit with Ms. Kelly and the rfc's. Second, its appalling and can be considered clear violation of WP:NPA. Finally, its ridiculous, because simply put, Cool Cat is a cat, and he has paws that lack opposable thumbs for this sick joke of yours anyway. He has enough problems typing as it is. However, the point is that userbox is unacceptable, I'd remove it without delay. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Lighten up a little. You seem to be the most anally retentive person on Wikipedia:( Kevin 23:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Nonsense. This is too nasty to be even remotely humorous. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't do anal. -- Catchi? 23:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Amen to that. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I identify as a gay man and I'm offended by your comment "Amen to that." Please abide by WP:NPA. Kevin 23:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I think this could be construed as a homophobic comment. What is wrong with anal? -82.40.177.197
Ignore him, Kevin Mulligan is a known spammer and troll. -62.252.152.24
Weee... This is beginning to get interesting... -- Catchi? 23:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. I may not get any damn sleep now. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Dont wory about it Ill handle it. -- Catchi? 23:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:::With which hand? --62.252.152.24
Handling it isn't the problem. Its just its hard to get sleep with stuff like this in your head. Better get some coffee and pull an all-nighter then...tomorrow's the beginning of the weekend anyway. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
No he is shaved for the "shave the wales" campaign. -- Catchi? 23:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Nor do I. I am a Reploid, and do not posess fur ethier. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I did this as a very minor troll but you two are feasting on it. I suggest you both get lives. Especially you MegamanZero, activity on your friend's talk page is not an excuse to "pull an all-nighter" although it's probably too late to tell you that, as I imagine you've wheeled the chair closer to the screen and settled down with a mug of cocoa, cock in hand, slowly masturbating to discussion on your friend's Wikipedia talk page. Kevin 23:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I do have a life, and you have provided quite an entertainment. -- Catchi? 00:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
{{UsernameBlock}} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.152.24 (talk • contribs)
No thanks. Try filing an RFC regarding my username instead. -- Catchi? 00:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
"Minor trolling"..? Ridiculous. Trolling is trolling, no ifs, buts, NO CONDITIONS. And you started this, if I'm correct..? I don't start or "feast" on anything (except batteries), but I damn well do finish them. And you, are finished. -MegamanZero|Talk 00:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I can't help noticing the user MegamanZero's username is an infringement of copyright - not to mention confusing for new users, who might genuinely believe Megaman is editing pages. Could you have a chat with some of your mates and see if you can get a {{Usernameblock}} put on him? Cheers.
WP:AGF
Please stop reverting to that stupid wing image with your socks, the consensus was that nobody wanted it there. Thanks. Hexagonal 05:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry I have no idea what you are talking about. However I do know you are violating WP:NPA as well as WP:AGF by directing insults and accusations at me. Cease it at once! One more thing apperantly someone aside myself wants the image there. There was no consensus established. Consensus is a dynamic thing and can change at any given second depends on recent data. -- Catchi? 13:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
You were the only one who supported it according to the talk page. Last night, two blatant sockpuppets began revert warring to keep the image in place. To quote the official policy concerning sockpuppets, "The Arbitration Committee has ruled that, for the purpose of dispute resolution, when there is uncertainty whether a party is one user with sockpuppets or several users with similar editing habits they may be treated as one user with sockpuppets." There is no other logical explanation for this. Hexagonal 02:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I think they are your sockpuppets in an attempt to get me blocked. There is no logical explanation!</sarcasm> Useless accusations such as this one will only lead to your block. Please stop it. -- Catchi? 02:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
They are not my sockpuppets. I don't know you, let alone have anything against you that would make me resort to sockpuppetry. I reverted those consensus-violating changes to the AGF article, and request that they stay that way. The community decided that the image is of zero value, and wants it left off of that page. Hexagonal 04:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Do not talk in the name of the comunity, not even Jimbo Wales does that. Also you have the option of either ceasing your pointless acusations or seek checkusers to check me. Try User:Kelly Martin or User:David Gerard. If you do not cease to bother me with this I will ask for adin asistance. Please stop waisting my time. -- Catchi? 04:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm speaking of the consensus that was reached on the talk page. You were the only one who wants it to stay, and many others want it removed. The image simply cannot stay - you aren't Jimbo Wales, and can't override a decision by a group like this. Hexagonal 04:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me can you please leave me alone? I do not know what your problem is and I frankly do not care. GO AWAY! -- Catchi? 04:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any idea who you are accusing of sockpuppetary and vandalism? -- Catchi? 04:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Please see Un-civilty and inconsideration on Wikipedia is a dangerous path.-MegamanZero|Talk 14:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Counter Un-civility Unit
Wikipedia:Counter Un-civility Unit is a new wiki-project I have thought up. I was wondering if you thought it was a good idea and if you wanted to join up. I need some users backing me before I construct a wikiproject, and you seem to share my views on subjects such as consensus, civilty, etc. Reply on my talkpage if you're interested. Thanks, -MegamanZero|Talk 16:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
You are really getting carried away with this. Uncivility is treated with apathy wehenever an issue. No need to form an organisation against it. -- Catchi? 16:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I am running for mediator right now, and I believe this project is a good way to introduce working together in wikipedia, mediating issues, discussing how to go about consensus, etc. I do not plan to hunt down anyone or anything such as that, no.:) -MegamanZero|Talk 17:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Too much of a good thing is bad, dont forget that:). Take it a bit slow as people tend to get wrong ideas otherwise. -- Catchi? 17:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I'm taking it slow indeed- I'm going to be setting this up all weekend, and support from you would be very appreiated as I plan to make it a sister project to your Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit. I would really like your help and support in this. -MegamanZero|Talk 17:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of vandalism, take a look at the slew of new "odd edits" I've added to my userpage. -MegamanZero|Talk 05:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Nice ones, though VfDs and RfAs are full of odd edits. Real challenge is to find them in article namespace :D -- Catchi? 05:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Shall I add them to your odd edits section..? -MegamanZero|Talk 05:36, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
No, lets compete. In one month thime who will have the oddest edits. Its not the quantity, its the oddness that counts. Its a first come first serve one so as t evade dupes. -- Catchi? 05:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Competetion, you say..? Seems you are serious about this... Okay, I'll accept. Let's get it done!:) One condition, however: the winner recieves a barnstar of some sort. -MegamanZero|Talk 06:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia: Policy proposal - Stop Babel now
Cool Cat -
If you feel so strongly about boycotting the Babel project, TfD is most certainly not the place for this. The usual way is to suggest a policy that can be discussed for a reasonable amount of time. We are all really curious about why you think the rest of the world which uses five or six-scale evaluation systems is wrong. Express your concerns on Babel in a policy statement (Wikipedia: Policy proposal - Stop Babel now) and withdraw your nomination on TfD. You are not even giving a reason on why you personally want to stop this successful project at this level and you never consulted with other users on the talk-page of Babel. Since you are trying to prove your point a policy proposal corresponds to your needs much better since it will be on longer and people can much more efficiently block the advancement of Babel. --Fenice 08:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh I want to express but the link you have doesn't seems to be working. -- Catchi? 10:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Gray was ugly and I was being bold, I'll post there but I really felt a discusseion is wasn't necesary. Tonikaku, I'll be more careful in the future. -- Catchi? 10:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Copy vio?
An image created for wikipedia by wikipeedia violates copyrights? One of the copy was 20px. No one can tell what it is. I am kinda confused. -- Catchi? 21:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Huh? what are you talking about? --Gmaxwell 21:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
You removed images from my userpage telling me "I should know better". I am sure you know about it. -- Catchi? 21:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
OH! It was many hours ago and many edits ago, I'd completely forgotten! There were two copies of a copyrighted animation from the zero wing video game. My "you should know better" comment was because we'd talked about fair use on user pages ... and you'd already switched out a fair use image for a free one in advance of me asking. I removed the same animation from a half dozen other users who had it. Yes, it's funny, but it shouldn't be on your user page, you know this. As for one being 20px, ... if you say that no one knows what it is.. thats okay, so why not replace it with a nice dark blurry square which is equally meaningingless and doesn't require us to maintain a high resolution copyrighted image on the servers?:) Sorry for the initial confusion. --Gmaxwell 21:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
That clears things up, when I started using the image it was tagged as a {{parody}}. parody shows can air on national TV so I wasn't worrying about copyrights much (as the copyright holders do not care THAT much). After all its a derived work and the new version has little to do with the orriginal. Heavly edited parodies of shows come with their own copyrights right?.
You marked the image as a likely copyright violation. And before that discussion concluded you removed it from many peoples userpages, this is something I do not particularly like (the removal of images from peoples userpages w/o asking them). But the "damage" is done and I dont care about it. Just as a future referance.:)
You seem to know me but I cant recall. Who were you? I do recall discussing fair use images on my userpage with someone (I think NullC). I do not recall your nick:(
Noticed you've been lagging behind in odd edits as of late... Better get some good ones because I'm on fire.:) -MegamanZero|Talk 19:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
BTW, shouldn't we set a date for the end of the competetion? -MegamanZero|Talk 21:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Meh let it go..:) -- Catchi? 18:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank goodness. I was scared to death you might have had a ace up your sleeve or something.:) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
What the hell?! You just said let it go! liar!:) Nice try, trying to sneak some odd eits behind my back for your comeback victory. However, I'm not quite fooled so easily.:) Sneaky Cool Cat. :P -MegamanZero|Talk 18:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I ment let it go on. :P -- Catchi? 19:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm surprised you didn't nab that comment made by the anon in regards to my username. That one took the cake.:) -MegamanZero|Talk 19:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Your Help is needed...
Someone is pretending you gave them a barnstar when their history has no mention of you editing it. The link-J.J.Sagnella 13:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Cool cat, i am keeping a eye on this user too, he looks suspicous and could try to bend the rules of Wikipedia for his gain. -Dynamo_aceTalk
Username :The great grape ape is straight out of the know
Total edits :11
Image uploads :1 (1 cur, 0 old)
Distinct pages edited :10
Edits/page (avg) :1.10
Deleted edits :0 (browse)
First edit :2006-01-10 02:40:10
Edits by namespace Namespace Edits
Articles 8
User 1
User talk 1
Image 1
I gave no award to any person before they started making edits. December 18, 2005 he perhaps wasn't even registered. -- Catchi? 18:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Yo, cool cat. Someone's been messing with the template 'user CVU1-en' which now looks like this
(if someone's fixed it now it mentioned Gay rights). Dunno how to revert it so could you sort it? Thanks Pydos 16:54, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Its been fixed. -- Catchi? 18:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Its odd, but whilst the template was vandlaised, my "user CVU1-en" template remained un-vandalised. -MegamanZero|Talk 18:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Server chance needs time to be flushed. Generally templates dont change, thats the definition of a template. Static text. -- Catchi? 18:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Did not realise that - i thought the template on other pages altered automatically when it was edited...that's why i noticed it on my user page. Anyway many thanks. Pydos 11:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Qwertysoup
Hi there Cool Cat, Im Moe Epsilon. I would like for you to join in of the conversation about the above user at Wikipedia talk:Are You a Wikipediholic Test about his possible fake score on the test. I contacted you because you were one of the top scorers on the test, so you could probably tell if the score is fake or not. We would appriciate your input. — Moeε 21:09, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I scored higher than Cool Cat..:) -MegamanZero|Talk 21:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, that test thrives on honesty. One is not a Wikipediholic if they arent honest. Wikipedia thrives on honesty. There is little that can be done directly, if the user is disruptive by other means he can be treated for such. I'll check. -- Catchi? 21:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you mind if I, or you if you prefer, cross-post this to this to the discussion at the test's talk page? — Moeε 22:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
NO I dont mind. Make it happen. -- Catchi? 13:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
POV edits
Please refrain from making POV edits to articles and then mislabeling the edit summary as a "revert" or a "copy edit" to cover it up. () 80.202.25.17 16:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Competetion: Zero vs. Cool Cat
Indeed, Cool Cat, you are a formidable foe. This edit is truly proof of your odd editism. But don't get cocky... The war still wages on, and I am in the lead!:) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
The great grape ape is straight out of the know
I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused, I have just joined Wikipedia and was testing my user page. Again, a thousand pardons and if there is any boon that I may beg upon you, don't hesitate to inquireThe great grape ape is straight out of the know 21:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Broken redirects
Going through the broken redirects page, I noticed there are several created by you. Last I checked, they were numbers 275 - 282 on the page; you may want to take a look. Deadsalmon 22:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the heads up, the numbers seem toi be actual articles, can you link me to the broken redirect pages? I have over 18,000 edits hence have lost track of all:) -- Catchi? 22:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Whoops, meant to do that. Here you go. User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Fr-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/En-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Ja-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Bg-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Pl-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/It-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Es-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/De-lang.txt. Old bot stuff, I suppose. Deadsalmon 22:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
All fixed...:) Thank you again for the headsup... -- Catchi? 22:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
No problem. On a different note, if you've got a minute, mind explaining to me if you've got a bot or some other easy way to copy text between talk pages as you've done? Do you just cut and paste? Thanks. Deadsalmon 22:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The text files (now much more complex) are the language files on the bot. I paste it in english and people transalate it to their native langage. The IRC vandal fighting bot covers many wikis (9 languages) and 13+ projects I actually lost count and am too lazy to check. -- Catchi? 22:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Good deal. Thanks for indulging my curiosity. Deadsalmon 22:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
...and addiction. At least now I can diagnose how bad it really is! Deadsalmon 22:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/IRC Bot
I responded to your comments. Sorry for the month-long delay, got carried away with work etc. -- Catchi? 08:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I responded to your comments. Sorry for the month-long delay, got carried away with work etc. -- Catchi? 08:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry, Wikipedia is a volunteer effort and you have no obligation to respond to all comments you get on your bot.:) Thanks for replying though. Btw, if NullC's bot can process the text of pages, why isn't it running on the IRC channels then? --Unforgettableid | talk to me 00:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Nullcs bot gets data directly from wikimedia servers. I do not have such access.:) -- Catchi? 13:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
{{Usernameblock}}
Hi, I can't help noticing the user MegamanZero's username is an infringement of copyright - not to mention confusing for new users, who might genuinely believe Megaman is editing pages. Could you have a chat with some of your mates and see if you can get a {{Usernameblock}} put on him? Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.152.45 (talk • contribs)
Please do not edit archive pages, instead use the respective talk pages. I nearly missed your post. -- Catchi? 16:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
That, and he's disappointed that we found out his little charade with trolling the other night. This is clearly a petty way to attempt to get back at me. Its humorous though - "who might genuinely believe Megaman is editing pages" Get real. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I can imagine that, although I may not apear like one I am a megaman fan, it was the second game I got. Ah Megaman IV on NES.:) -- Catchi? 17:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
But... How do you play the controller wiith those paws of yours...?:) -MegamanZero|Talk 17:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Trade secret. -- Catchi? 17:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
You must tell me. ..NOW! draws (Z-saber):) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh? (takes out his Katana). -- Catchi? 19:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Another special trade secret. -MegamanZero|Talk 19:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
No, its in PD. -- Catchi? 19:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
another 'poster
Hey hey - the much emulated CC strikes again - User:Cool Cat on Frozen Felines --Alfmelmac 15:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Yup, one steap ahead of ya this time, already listed at User:Cool Cat/Impostors -- Catchi? 16:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
May I inquire what is the obcession with making imposters of Cool Cat..? Geez. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
User:MARMOT loves me, I guess.... I am among the more popular target of vandals. -- Catchi? 16:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
he he, as always, one step ahead... or should that be one step beyond...:) --Alfmelmac 16:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Why, pray tell... is MARMOT pursuing such a ridiculous vendetta agaist you...? -MegamanZero|Talk 16:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Because I make an effort to limit/halt his vandal campaign. Even though I can't even block him as the comunity does not trusts me enough to hand me such power. -- Catchi? 17:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm..... I'll see about that. -MegamanZero|Talk 17:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Need a template to be designed
We have a problem... certain articles (like Cardcaptor Sakura and World War 2) have continuly faced vandilism and POV. What we need is a template that warns the user that the article is senstive to vandilsm and POV and should be read with caution. Perhaps with varations that include advising potential contribaters to consolte the talk pages for advice before contribuating to the article. -Dynamo_aceTalk
I designed a template like that, its on the talk page of CVU, I dont know how aproporate it is tho. -- Catchi? 10:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Lemon.... Kawaii!
Incredible. it looks like it isn't his first time to screw around with fancruft Mega Man articles. Look at this! What the hell is the author up to? Does he actually think tampering with Mega Man canon is acceptable behaviour? I'm flabbergasted at his antics. -MegamanZero|Talk 20:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
why did you rvv my edit there? I rvv:ed it back, according to the ongoing deswitching. →AzaToth 22:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Because you are breaking my and many other poeples userpage. You should fix all userpages prior to doing that. -- Catchi? 22:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
There should be no difference, they are only extracted, there were only four that was missplaced that I forgot to put back. Perhaps it's one of them you are referring to. and please be more civil. →AzaToth 23:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing my userpages. I was being perfectly civil. -- Catchi? 18:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
No problem, I think I was a bit to rought on you, sorry:) →AzaToth 18:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
You don't need to change the image on {{User wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit}}, there is a {{User wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit (alternative)}} using that image. I go changing the image back to 2.5 again. →AzaToth 18:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes but the primary image is the other way around... .5 ones the alternative image :P
I am glad we are working together on this. I generally explode when external events break my userpage. Sry...
I figured you wouldn't mind my fixing the spelling error, but I erred on the side of the holy jihad against people editing other's userspaces. cheers ("denies"). Unless of course it's some Cabal thing I'm not privy to. Avriette 01:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Any productive edit, or any edit with a productive inted is welcome such as spelling/grammer corrections, npovisation (when applicable), translations to Turkish/Japanese, or anything you can think of. If I like it, Ill keep it. I generally like it.:) -- Catchi? 10:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
When you leave the edit summary blank, some of your edits could be mistaken for vandalism and may be reverted, so please always briefly summarize your edits, especially when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you.
What's so unclear? Admittedly it is a silly template, but the point is clear enough I guess.:) Just use edit summaries more often.:) Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Thx for your check on Kurdish people
Thx for your check on Kurdish people
You should know that these Yezidi Kurds are faking facts, because they claim that Yezidism is the only true Kurdish faith.
Many historicals know that Kurds were once Zoroastrian, at least when only 1% of the Kurds were Zoroastrian why we shouldn't add this information?
There are still many Zoroastrians in northern Iraq.
--ShapurAriani 12:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am no expert in the matter (aka kurdish religious beliefs), however if you can WP:CITE sources no reason why it shouldn't be in the article. It is generally preferable to have a reputible source. Bear in mind religion is generally a controversial issue by nature as there are more than one religion on earth. -- Catchi? 13:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Need a template to be designed
We have a problem... certain articles (like Cardcaptor Sakura and World War 2) have continuly faced vandilism and POV. What we need is a template that warns the user that the article is senstive to vandilsm and POV and should be read with caution. Perhaps with varations that include advising potential contribaters to consolte the talk pages for advice before contribuating to the article. -Dynamo_aceTalk
I designed a template like that, its on the talk page of CVU, I dont know how aproporate it is tho. -- Catchi? 10:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but it is stuck in the archive and the template is telling users that the CVU is monitoring this page. Would it be appropate or a more non-baised version is in order? -Dynamo_aceTalk
I was never too happy with the wording on the template, I am out of ideas:) What kind of a wording would you use? -- Catchi? 13:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... i think this might work:
"WARNING: This article has become prone to vandlism and POV and therefore has been known as a senstive article. Potental contributors are advised to consolt the talk page before making additions."
How about {{Talkheader}}? elling something is prone to vandalism and POV has gained little support:/ -- Catchi? 13:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
That won't work, i need something that can be stuck on to the main article to warn anon users (amongst others) to be wary with the article. -Dynamo_aceTalk
Adminship
I am requesting that you accept my nomination for you to be an administrator. Do you accept..? -MegamanZero|Talk 18:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
The nomination can be found here: ; please accept it. -ZeroTalk 22:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat...please reconsider. I really believe this is excellent time to accept this nomination (Davenbelle is gone) and I really know you have changed. I know all about the "old Cool Cat" (Your rfar is in my sandbox; I look at it everyday). I really would like you to give it a chance. -ZeroTalk 22:59, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I am really flaterred but parts of wikipedia community isnt ready for my adminship. I am more than ready and qualified, but since RFA is broken and several people wouldnt miss this opertunity to be m:dicks on my RFA. Before anyone asks, that comment was NOT directed at Oleg Alexandrov as he opposed my 3rd rfa with a VALID reason. My comment was directed at people who would rather have SPUI adminised than me or would rather leave wikipedia all toghether. Such people have not even apologised for such ridiclous comments and some are admins (you'd think they would have a basic understaing of WP:CIVIL). -- Catchi? 23:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, I think this is really an excellent opurtunity. As you know, the Bcrats vote on consensus as well as vote percentage, and its obvious anyone who opposes for reasons that violate civilty will be ignored. Also consider the fact that you have improved immensely in your field of behavior; and countless people agree with that fact. I greatly implore you to accept. -ZeroTalk 23:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, accept the nomination please. It can't hurt, eh...? -ZeroTalk 13:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Davenbelle is gone... -ZeroTalk 16:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
You havent seen the panic on IRC right after you post the nom. I know at least 10 people ready to oppose, I wont give them the pleasure.:) -- Catchi? 16:55, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Who cares for their buffonery...? For every person who opposes, I know 3 that will support. Let them have their "pleasure"; I'm certain you will still win the election in the end. -ZeroTalk 16:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
To set the record straight Davenbelle had only been a mild irritation as far as I care. Karl Meier got me blocked more than anyone else and should not be trusted (as per a userbox on his own userpage. See: User:Karl Meier). As far as I and many others care he tricked the system by reverting me 3 times then teamng up with davenbelle and revert more, giving me the option of either agreeing with their version (which was any version but my own at a point). Karl Meier opposing and fadix opposing my votes on the recent arbcom hearing is also interesting. It isn't exactly stalking but it is still annoying. I have however more serious issues with vandals.
With my limited user power I can only do so much. But people fear that I would cause havoc all over wikipedia. People are even hesitant to hand me power on IRC as "I might abuse it". Given I have op power on a number of IRC networks, one among the big 5. People think I will start deleting random articles based on my pov and mass block people for no real reason. They have no basis for this but its the gossip and people vote based on gossip (or the lack of it) on RfAs. Hence why I have declined. People still see me as a pov pusher on kurdish articles. Even though I have no to little contribution on such. My only contribution on PKK for ages was tweaking of tables and other minor stuff, but some people make baseless comments as if I have been declaring ownership on those articles. Some people would oppose the RfA because of the "militaristc" "defacto-arbcom": Counter Vandalism Unit "cabal". These comments come from more notable people such as arbotrators which pains me more than anything. Firsthy the defacto arbcom is a definitely not the case, otherwise I would be an admin. The paranoia is ridiclous.
Do not get me wrong I am flattered by your nom and your insistance. However Davenbelle and Karl Meier as well as Fadix (partly if anyone takes his pages of comments on arbcom case's (filed for Davenbelle and Karl Meier and not fadix) talk page any seriously) achieved in polarising a notable comunity against me with the RfAr. -- Catchi? 17:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Is the worst thing that can happen that it does not get through? Hurry up and let me vote support on it --Adam1213Talk+ 22:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Here, here. Even if you lose, its not the end of the world. Accept the nomination. -ZeroTalk 00:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I dont want to be admined at this point. -- Catchi? 18:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
CVU
Firstly, I want to apologise for our spat on IRC earlier today. I accept my share of the blame for being intransigent and perhaps a little arrogant. I should not have got as annoyed as I did. On a separate matter (and please trust me that it is separate; I have been considering this for some time), please see this post of mine to the Foundation-l mailing list. Cheers, [[Sam Korn]] 18:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh, its all right some good came out of it. CVU is undergoing a reform. I was not aware of the problems originated from the group. Although I have to admit there were better ways to tell that to me:). Ne ways, forget that.
As for the images, the deletion of them will mean the end of my wikipedia contributions. Let me explain.
I have been mistreated since my early career, I have been stalked all over the place for months and even with their limmited power admins and users assisted me in the hard times. Arbcom did little to halt it and even one of them suggested a year-long-ban on me for getting stalked. If it werent for a single arbcomer (Raul) the arbcommers may have looked the otherway regarding the level of stalking I recieved. Davenbelles entier contribution was stalking me which even annoyed users aside from myself such as FrencisTylers (whom has oposite POV as I do regarding PKK), DavidGerard, Phroziac, and many others. Davenbelle opsed my second RfA before the nominator could support it. He also objected at me reciving a barnstar (which changed the minds of some arbcomers I think)
Pests like MARMOT and WoW as well as super-troll also gave me a serious hard time, my userpage is among the most vandalised pages on wikipedia, it is one of the RARE pages that suffered multiple vandal bot attacks. I have over 50 imposteration cases. I wrote an IRC bot that people started using whom got promoted to adminship. No objections to their adminship and I did not code the bot to get easy adminship but you'd think I wouldn't be treated like a useless troll by people simply because of that. I dont expect people to like me or hand me adminships. All I wish is to be treated with dignity. Now unblocked MARMOT, SPUI and other refurbished vandals/trolls are treated better than myself and I dont like it. I should be treated with the dignity at least marmot has.
Marmot is also suspected of getting my IP from IRC, and spoofing my ip to vandalise wikipedia using a wikipedia vunrability to get me blocked. While I have no evidence if it was marmot or not, I have every suspicion.
I had to put up with peoples insults, threats, and accusations on both of my rfas, and for the amout of time and effort I spend on wikipedia all the parts commutiy told me is that theyd rather leave wikipedia or promote SPUI to adminship than promote me to adminship.
Then snowspinner deleted the CVU images with suspicion of copyright infirgment without even bothering to list it for 7 days. He speddied the images and many templates images were on such as Template:MARMOT, also rfared me for this. I on the otherhand looked the otherway rather than rfc him to death etc. (and yes he did oppose my RfA)
Then now someone wants to get the images deleted again.
While I was typing this my bot announced that there is a 3rd RfA filed by MegamanZero. As flatered I am I have to reject it. If I accept it, many people would only use it as a means to be dicks and get away with it.
I sometimes ask myself why do I bother contributing to wikipedia... I recieve this overwhelming level of hostility. These comments are not directed at you spesificaly. I am just... just... tired of dealing with stuff like this. I havent vandalised wikipedia once, sure I had a rough start regarding POV but that was about a year ago. -- Catchi? 22:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I haven't got time to respond to this in length right now, but I want to assure you that I fully value your contributions against vandalism. It has only ever been the format of the CVU to which I have been in opposition. I know that I didn't express myself well earlier (I rarely do on IRC), but I am a great fan of the tools that you have developed. I also think you should know that I don't necessarily think the images should be deleted. I just think they should be reappraised in light of the new guidelines. Whether they should be deleted is a Foundation matter, on which I am not qualified to comment. [[Sam Korn]] 22:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see, sorry I am a timered bomb these days... ready to explode any second. I honestly dont understand why people oppose CVU. It exists to guide people into being RC patrolers. It was successfull in this to some extent, people are lured by the nice/cool logo and they read about RC patrol and start RC patroling.
We need more RC patrolers, although its not easy/possible to "replace" RC patrolers such as RickK, this is better than nothing. CVU "Elite" are people who know about RC patroling and are among the more notable ones. I do not RC patrol myself tho, my bot limits my edit ability as I have very limmited and slow net connection.
If images go the luring from them vanishes. And hence CVU looses its main purpose. CVU colects/summerises wikipedia policies and tools into a single page making it easier for newbies. People can jump in bot aided RC patroling by just clicking ONE button without downloading software or anything (java chat). Thats something rather nice IMHO.
The importance of images kicks in here. Why the wikipedia/wikimedia logo? Well its wikipedia! :D
I commend you for your honesty in letting me know about that mail (which I understand you sent) and hope (although do not expect) you read my long rant from earlier on if you care at all.:) -- Catchi? 23:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh My Goddess!
I hadn't heard of it before; It does sound interesting though, especially their incorporation of Norse mythology. Anime, Manga, and graphic novels generally are not something I know much about. What I've seen and read I've usually liked. The page isn't on my watch list; I run Lupin's anti-vandal tool and sometimes hit 'Rollback' by mistake. Tom HarrisonTalk 22:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again
Thanks again and my most sincere apologies for my newbie ways. My innocence was my only guide. Thank you for your patience and help, you truly are worthy to be an admin and I hope it works out.--The great grape ape is straight out of the know 01:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
"Aegean crisis" article
Hi, I think you were one of the contributors to Aegean crisis, right? If you're interested, please see my note on the talk page there. Thanks. Lukas 13:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi CoolCat, I don't know if you've been monitoring Aegean dispute at all since our discussion the other day. I've done a pretty large rewrite now, basically from scratch, which is now almost finished in its general outlines. Needs some filling in still. Would you mind having a look? Your {{POV}} tag is still standing; I think it's time we either removed it or started to talk what else should change. Lukas 20:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
CVU stuff
Heya CC, I don't think we've spoken before. After speaking up today regarding the membership issue at the CVU page, it has belatedly occurred to me that one or two of the things I've said in my discussions there could possibly be seen by you as a criticism of the work you've done at CVU. If so, please know that isn't true, that's not what I've meant and not what I was trying to convey. You've obviously put in a great deal of work, and as I've said many times today, I found the information gathered there to be a great resource as I was learning to fight vandalism properly. I do certainly have an opinion about how the group could be improved, but that's just an opinion, and in no way reflects on you or the work you have done. I appreciate that work, and I hope you will jump into some of the conversation going on on the talk page there today. Your input would be especially welcome, I'm sure. Thanks --Krich(talk) 21:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
I dont mind criticism, actually I have to thank you for actually proving I am not in charge contrary to gossip,:) -- Catchi? 21:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
End of competetion
Cool Cat, we need to end this competetion...Its obvious you can't match odd edits like this, so can we please start judging now..?:) -ZeroTalk 21:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Very well, you win. Was a nice game.:) -- Catchi? 21:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar! --Zero CatTalk|@ 22:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
No not a barnstar. -- Catchi? 09:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Theft
Yes, I'll steal it. But if it happened when you were expecting it, that wouldn't be theft!:-D --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... Then what is it?:) -- Catchi? 09:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Odd message left on my talkpage left by a fellow Mega Man fan
Even though the odd edit competetion is over, I thought you might get a laugh or two out of this: () -ZeroTalk 19:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Funny, eh? He needs to start passing english.:) -ZeroTalk 20:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Merhaba Türk Dostu:)
Bizim için bizden fazla savaşıyorsun. Seni yürekten tebrik ediyorum. Çok teşekkürler. I love you Cool Cat, please keep your good work! --Alperen 11:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh My Goddess template
I set up a possible replacement for this template at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox. It essentially adds an extra parameter to the template call (|if=) to copy the 'if defined call2' template logic out to the Oh My Goddess template itself. In the examples below the top line is the current version and the bottom how it would be called in the replacement (blank spaces are inserted just to line up common elements):
{{if defined call2|{{{Image1| }}}| Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic/Image|{{{Image1}}}| {{{Caption1}}} }}
{{{if {{{Image1| }}}|{{Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic/Image|{{{Image1}}}| {{{Caption1}}} }} }}}
Please take a look at my sandbox link above and consider whether this is a viable option. I think that once you look at it the 'if' parameter is just as understandable as 'if defined call2', indeed the two formats are very similar. However, making this change would help to retire Template:If defined call2, and the Template:If defined call and Template:Void templates which it depends on. Primary reason for doing that is to discourage further use of these conditional templates, which could lead to server load problems. If this change is ok with you let me know and I will help convert the articles over... can add the |if= parameter to all existing articles and then switch the template itself to make the change seamless. --CBD☎✉ 16:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Please do not blank sections. Thank you. -- Catchi? 20:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't see why I shouldn't have. All it is is a link to a comic strip with Belldandy in it. Were there something more there, I would not have blanked it.--Veemonkamiya 11:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
The section explains how inportant Oh My Goddess! is on cultures outside japan. A clear example is belldandys apearance on a non-japanese comic strip (just like how she appears on various comercials as a camo from time to time). That section needs to be expanded. After all it answers the FAC requests "Why is it notable, what makes oh my goddess! so special?" -- Catchi? 12:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have to agree with Veemonkamiya, the section wasn't needed unless more information (unbaised of course) comes up.
Oh and the templates to the charathers appears to be bust. Can you take a look? -Dynamo_aceTalk
Dynamo Ace brings up my concern as well. The new template made by CDB is overy saturated with useless sections. I suggest reverting to the last version by Cool Cat. -ZeroTalk 11:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
There was a problem with the header (the one part of the template which doesn't rely on the new format), but I don't see what you mean about 'saturated with useless sections'. Can you give an example? --CBD☎✉ 12:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
False alarm- I was looking at your template, and it had nearly twice as many sections for data as the last- but it turns out you coded it to not depict the sections being utilized. Never mind, my mistake. -ZeroTalk 12:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I found a bunch of articles that I had missed updating before. They weren't showing up in 'What links here' from the template (probably because of all the moving around it went through). My bad. I think I've found them all now - I went through the various 'Oh My Goddess' categories to check each article. --CBD☎✉ 12:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Comments by Muhamed
I am an anti Turk-Mongol propaganda in Wikipedia!!!!!! understand you now —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhamed (talk • contribs)
I am sorry I cant follow you. -- Catchi? 21:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Kurdistan Category
Hi,
Please notice that the Kurdistan term is officially recognized in Iraq/Iran. However, I do understand your view on the Kurdish inhabited areas of Turkey, since the term Kurdistan isnot recognized there. Please kindly leave the Kurdistan category in the Kurdish areas inside Iraq/Iran unchanged. Thanks.Heja Helweda 07:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
You will have to cite sources for exact boundaries including those provinces to a kurdistan. Do not ask me or anyone to leave any subject alone. No one owns articles. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. Content you provide MUST be verifiable or it will be removed. -- Catchi? 11:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Why are precise boundaries required in this context? Still, presumably there is fairly strong precision on Iraqi Kurdistan, and there may be similar areas in neighboring Iran but I'm not an expert on the region. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, regarding the image, I recently sent a message to Angela, and adknowledgement is still pending at this time.— TheKMantalk 17:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I wont accept any random tagging of region or provinces with kurdistan as its borders are loosly defined. However:
Iraqi Kurdistan as you put it is just borders of KAR. you are welcome to suggest it being the borders of KAR or however Iraqis put it, do not mark it as a part of the great kurdistan.
Kurdistan is any region where kurds happen to live, its borders cannot be drawn artificialy. This really is inaproporate. The tagging as you are doing means the province is a territory of a kurdish state. Do not use categories to jigsaw a country out of the blue. I cannot compromise in that area I am sorry.
We just dont mark pages like that with categories even if borders are defined this is like saying california is a blue state for voting democrat majority. I however dont mind a Categoy:Kurdish inhabited regions or something along the line. I still would need citation on its borders.
Why not write about kurdish culture etc rather than competeing over this? I am sure there is more about kurds than their nationalism/seperatism etc... I am beeing blunt but I think I have to.
The issue is currently under consideration whether to delete or keep it and people are voting on it. With all due respect, one person can not decide on the content of Wikipedia. Until a democratic decision is declared on this matter, it cannot be deleted. Again, the name Kurdistan does not imply a country or independence or anything like that. About Kurdish inhabited Regions, that's again something to be voted upon. Majority of Kurds don not like such a term the same way that you do not like the term Kurdistan. The borders of the three provinces(Arbil, Dohuk and Sulaimaniya) in Iraqi Kurdistan are well defined and they are governed by a state (KRG), its official name isnot Kurdish Government but Kurdistan Regional Government. The name of the province in Iran is not Kurdish province but Kurdistan Province. I amnot pushing any POV, these are the simple facts on the ground. Heja Helweda 19:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a democracy. The categry will eventually go away I can assure you that. Pov categories such as that one eventually get deleted or get renamed. Name kurdistan is a declaration of a country as far as I care, usage of an alternative naming for whatever you are trying to convey will not have any resistance from me. KRG is not the legitemate successor of the historic Kurdish nations mentioned on wikipedia. I dont care what the province is called. I wont swallow the establishment of a kurdistan on wikipedia. If you strictly want to talk about areas where kurds are living do so and dont call it kurdistan (aka land of the kurds). I am not alone in this. Use alternative naming please. -- Catchi? 20:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
With little effort you can get me banned from editing articles related to kurds and kurdistan. I am under mentorship and my mentor can block me if you think my edits are disruptive. If your intention is to simply to get me banned form the articles pelase mention this to user:Tony Sideaway. If you are however interested in creating wikipedia articles that are not intended to infuriate people such as myself I am more than willing to offer my cooperation. -- Catchi? 20:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
First of all, take it easy. It is not a matter of life and death to me. I did not say KRG is legitimate or not, as many Assyrians agree with you on this matter, I just said it does exist, take a flight to Arbil to see it for yourself. Kurdish inhabited areas are called Kurdistan and that's not my POV, it is KRG's POV. Contact them to change their name. About the province, if you don't care, why do you care about the word Kurdistan? I told you, I'll keep Turkey out of the matter and I agree with you on this. But for other areas, there is concrete evidence on the use of the name. We are not here on Wikipedia to decide or change the realities on the ground, just to report them. Heja Helweda 20:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I am not willing to discuss this. Category kurdistan is unacceptable. -- Catchi? 20:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe that we can have a constructive argument over this. May be I'll learn a word or two from you. Thanx.Heja Helweda 20:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Your forced vacation is now in effect
Enjoy your requested 5 day forced wikibreak. ALKIVAR™ 21:28, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I decided to cut my vacation a bit short. Due to heavy snowing I am stranded so I will be bored. Dont get me wrong I am still a bit nuts... -- Catchi? 22:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I noticed your rant section, you may want to take a look at mine and we can chear each other up. Or at the very least start a support group: "Annoyed wikipedians" :P -- Catchi? 22:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
This might interest you.
It appears that a a checkuser request has been made due to some sockpuppetry occurring at WP:AGF.
I see that you are on a break, but thought to mention the matter anyway since you deserve to know about it sooner rather than later. I have nothing invested in the argument- I just happened to see it at the Admins' Noticeboard. Slainté, P.MacUidhir(t)(c) 08:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you I have commented there too. -- Catchi? 22:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Image talk:Winged logo.gif
I just noticed your comments there, I am not going to bother responding there. I find your overal ownership of the hole thing annoying. In anycase I have no strength left to offer any resistance to anyone as I am pounded by a large number of users now. Sockpuppets and trolls are given a higher respect than myself. this post here has no reason. Since I dont even know why I am telling all this to you. -- Catchi? 22:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if I offended you; if you wish, I could fix up that image (anti-aliasing, replace center with wiki logo).— TheKMantalk 22:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.. Id like that. Its not you offending me, its a number of people giving me a hard time. I am likely to explode anyone talking to me because of that. -- Catchi? 22:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do then— TheKMantalk 22:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
"Aegean dispute" again
Hi Cool Cat, I left a lengthy reply to your comments on the talk page for Aegean dispute, but I now see you seem to be under a lot of Wikistress about other issues, so I guess you might not have much energy left for that one right now. We can let that discussion wait, of course. Or do you know of somebody else who might be interested in joining that page and monitor POV from a Turkish perspective? Take care, Lukas 23:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I have responded to your response on the talk page of the article. Unlike what you may think that article has been one of the most pleasant ones I have ever touched/discussed. I thank you for your civil, and polite attitude for that you should be commended as this is not a wikipedia standard (even though it should be).
Unlike what some people may suggest I am not Turkish while I may be biased as I lived in Turkey for a while.
Thanks for your kind words. Yes, I think this has been a pretty good cooperative enterprise, which is rare for a politically laden topic such as this. And I feel the article is getting pretty good:-) I've now filled in most of the sources I had and removed the underconstruction notice. Lukas(T.|@) 23:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC) (I followed your hint about this one too, as you see. Is it working?)
rfa
Accept it. -ZeroTalk 16:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Man. I am telling you it aint gona work. People ban me off of IRC channels when I prompt them to ban MARMOT. RfA is really broken. -- Catchi? 16:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps not. But I want you to accept it so I can see how it goes at the very least... It can't hurt, can it not..? -ZeroTalk 16:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
And MARMOT has been banned by Jimbo BTW. -ZeroTalk 16:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
And I was banned on IRC for requesting a ban on MARMOT (from the IRC channel) by a person I used to look up to. Geez I pick lousy role models... it is so hard to admire a person who doesn't even like you. My RFA will definitely fail. Last RFA failed because I told snowspinner off for inquiring about copyright status of CVU images in the middle of a vandal bot attack. He simply deleted every template CVU images appeared on and deleted the CVU images and not just that but also Rfared me. God knows how many people would oppose me for talking down on MARMOT and requesting his ban from the IRC channel. People generally choose idiotic reasons to oppose RfAs anyways (such as candidate having too many userboxes).
Some exiting admins are too arrogant for me to work with. The consider themselves to be the best thing since slice bread they can violate every policy and dictate how articles or templates should be. This isn't uneque to admins but mostly I deal with such people who are admins. Such as the incident on Skuld or on template:user wikipedia
I don’t care about wikipedia enough to care about adminship. I do not like this community that doesn’t like me. Don’t get me wrong there are lots of users who like me. There are just more whom hate me for reasons I am not made aware of.
People make lots of ridiculous statements about me. Until I am treated like I should be I have no reason to have admin powers to serve this community. I don’t mop after people not appreciating my mop work without a mop.
It can't hurt. Just accept the nomination; I am curious to at least see the outcome. -ZeroTalk 20:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
No need to waiste wikipedias bandwidth over something as useless as my RfA. I'd rather use that bandwidth for articles. People are stuck with the means too much on wikipedia and they call CVU militarsitic... those idiots. All of them have forgotten about the ends. The point of wikipedia, aka encyclopedia. All some of those care is about me violating NPOV about a "YEAR" ago. Man I wonder if they were flawles wikipedians when they were newbies. -- Catchi? 21:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
You're right. However, if I didn't truly believe you had a chance of passing this election (no matter how slim), I would not have filled out the rfa. Please accept, I'd like to survey the progress - and besides, its very possible people might vote out of good faith and provide some constructive criticism. -ZeroTalk 16:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I dont want to be with it same category as admins. I am not admin material. I am not arrogant enough. -- Catchi? 16:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
But Cool Cat... I don't think I'm arrogant, and I wish to be administrator soon, our good friend Tony is administrator and he is not arrogant (though this can be argued in some cases..:)) as well as many others. Administrator is not to please the people nor is it an award. Its for the good of the encyclopedia and I honestly believe in the conjecture that you would benefit from gaining the possition. Please accept. -ZeroTalk 16:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Tony is no longer my firend, however I am not going to forget him standing up for me. I am not sure what to think of him. His arrogant attitude on IRC a day or two ago regarding Category:Kurdistan is something I wont forget... Siding with a sockpuppet that is. Lecturing me how apporporate that damn category is... What kind of a nerve does he have?!!? -- Catchi? 16:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry, but due to my technical difficulties I have no access to IRC as of late, therefore I have no idea of what traspired on IRC peviously. However, what I do know is that Kurdistan is an area/country with very indistigiusable boundaries and divisions, meaning grouping such areas in one category is (arguably) one's own POV. And while I trust you and believe that the truth is spoken when you believe that person is a sockpuppet, I think that you should not let bad-faith editors impede your decision to accept the rfar. I know it might not turn out out well, but I still believe you should accept. I am curious to see what ridiculous reasons people have to oppose you; as I am positive they won't be worth anything. -ZeroTalk 17:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I told you, I do not want to be held in the same category as those arrogants... Not all admins are bad many are and last thing I want is to be on the same category as them. -- Catchi? 17:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Test
Per your request. Essjaytalk 22:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I can't see Images
Coolcat, I have been away from my Computer for nearly a month because I was on my summer vacation and now I can only view images when I click on the high res. link on the images. When viewing pages there is just a blank box. Did some wikipedian policy change or something? Thanks Hamedog 04:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC). Could you please reply on my talk too?
No such thing has happened (as far as I know). We did have problems with image servers from time to time tho. which images can you not see? -- Catchi? 11:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I cannot see any images on articles. I cannot see the images when I click on the blank box where the image should be. I can only see then when I click high res. It been happening the whole time and I can see images on other websites. I can also see images on wikipedia using the desktop at home (I am using a notebook}. I used to be able to see images on wikipedia last year, but this year it hasn't worked. Maybe I should ask dave taylor?Hamedog 21:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about the lateness of this reply too.
I am not sure what the problem is. It works fine over here. What os and browser do you use and ae you sure you havent turned off images? -- Catchi? 22:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I am using XP, Firefox. I don't think I have turned images off as I can see images on every other site and can see the wikipedia globe in the top left corner. It is only in articles. I can see colours though. Is there something I can change in preferences? Also, it doesn't change when I sign in or out. I was wondering if you could tell me how you do that signature of yours too. Hamedog 06:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
For signature: Click prefernaces and add <small>[[User:Hamedog|Hamedog]]<sup>[[User talk:Hamedog|Talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Hamedog|@]] to "Nickname:" box and also check "Raw signature (no auto link; don't use templates or external links in this)" box. -- Catchi? 18:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
For images: I have no idea what could be wrong. Since you being logged of must fix it. I am as convused as you are. You may want to talk to the devs. -- Catchi? 18:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The Devs are who?--HamedogTalk|@ 21:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC
Don't worry about replying, images appeared all of a sudden litereally a minute ago viewing this very page (the wikimood and no barnstar on the side etc). Thanks for your help Cool Cat. --HamedogTalk|@ 21:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi
You seem to be rather upset, and I think that as your mentor I need to think for you and act in your best interests. I've removed your RFA because you clearly don't seriously expect to be made an administrator on this occasion. Could we talk online? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Rather upset you say... That is an understatement. -- Catchi? 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you leave me alone. I only cause you problems. -- Catchi? 15:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
You never caused me any problems--at least none that I didn't gladly accept as your friend. As your latest RFA self-nomination appears to be in order I'll not intervene again. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Link dead on your user page
Hello! You have this paragraph on your user page: "Do realise that vandalising Wikipedia is a very bad idea. Brian Chase was forced to resign from his job because of the mounting pressure all because of vandalising a wikipedia page. He was also mocked on the New York Times as well as CNN." The CNN word links to: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/11/wikipedia.ap/index.html, link which is dead. HTH. --Vlad 02:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
MARMOT
I see. Them let's get to the root of the problem. What do you think is MARMOT's fasination (ie. Obsessision) with harrasssing you...? I find it odd that this user contributes such a unhealthy amount of time and energy tormenting you. -ZeroTalk 15:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
My interactions with you in the past have always been quite good. Please take this in the spirit it is intended, which is friendly, and to help you. I think you should consider withdrawing your RfA. I am personally concerned that you are treating the RfA as an affirmation of a job well done on Wikipedia. This is not what it is for. I am mostly concerned that the RfA is not going to go well, and that it will cause you to leave Wikipedia. Yet, the reasons it will not go well have nothing to do with your value as an editor. Please see my latest comment on the RfA and decide if letting the RfA run is really in your best interests. What is it about being an admin that you really, really want to be able to do but can not due right now as a non-admin? --Durin 16:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
As a non admin I cannot block a vandal vandalising my userpage. As a non admin I cannot block vandals. As a non admin I am useless. -- Catchi? 16:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
You are in no respect useless. You've gotten yourself into a serious funk. Were I there, we'd hit a pub and get ridiculously drunk and hash it out. Knock off the self-defeatism, ok?:) --Durin 17:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Your RfA is becoming "give me adminship or I'll leave". The outcome under this guise is pre-determined. RfA isn't going to grant you admin tools under such a demand. This is tantamount to finding a reason other than yourself to leave Wikipedia. This is wiki-suicide. Please, don't do this. --Durin 20:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
You are bright. Please understand there is nothing I want to do on wikipedia left. At least for a serious amount of time. However, if I am given proper RC patrol tools I will stick around for another year. -- Catchi? 20:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Such powers won't give you the respect and knowlage needed to help protect Wikipedia, listen to a good friend, power isn't everything.By trying to seek such powers such as adminship on a case of that you are not fit to have such powers, you are essently causing Anakin Skywalker syndrome! Stick to what you do best and leave such powers in the most responsable hands.
I leave that as my opion, it is up to you to decide. -Dynamo_aceTalk
I have stick to my best and my best only got me harassment from User:MARMOT for which I was awarded with a ban from #wikipedia. If marmot is that decent of a guy then I won't interfere his wiki experience. -- Catchi? 20:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I dont bluff hence no one can call my bluff (regarding the rfa) -- Catchi? 20:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Sigh. What is stopping you from editing the main namespace? --Durin 21:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
My RfAr limits me greatly on topics I care to write about. When I make useful edits on those topics I am still yelled at.
Apperantly everything related to kurds are controversial. I do not however see anything about kurds aside from "atrocities" committed against them such as the "cultural genocide" from hydroelectric dams as well as other stuff. Almost all articles related to Kurds are one sided. Pro/Anti-Kurd is a poor definition as there are no uniformal POV on either side. I do not deny I have my own pov regarding the topic. I make an effort to not push that. But when I revert random tagging of provinces with Category:Kurdistan, my action causes me trobble. So since I am not welcome to make edits there, I am left with only one option: RC patrol.
There shouldn't be any reason why people are voting oppose. People are being paranoid on stuff what might happen.
I do not mind:) -- Catchi? 09:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
People voting oppose
You said "There shouldn't be any reason why people are voting oppose". Yet, you also say "I will no longer honor any rules or policies on wikipedia so long as there are double standards". Surely you can see why someone would vote against you when you are carrying that sort of opinion at this time? You are very angry right now, and very upset with Wikipedia. This is not an attitude that is going to encourage people to vote for you. I said it before, and I'll repeat it here; if the consequence of a failed RfA is you leaving Wikipedia, then you're committing wiki-suicide. Your RfA is failing, and will fail. Given your current mindset, it's hard for people to be sympathetic to your situation. --Durin 13:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I cannot take my words back... -- Catchi? 15:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
YES YOU CAN. Don't do this. Stop pulling the trigger on the wiki-gun to your wiki-head. --Durin 15:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I am not the one pulling the triger, gun is in the hands of voters. I'll maybe stay if there are about 50/50 votes as after all thats a no consensus rather than oppose and I was going to leave on oppose. Still I do not think thats going to happen. This is strictly because of your comments. I am however not sure. -- Catchi? 15:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I honestly feel like I am negotiating with someone who has a gun to their head. The choice to stay or not is entirely yours. Nobody else is pulling the trigger. You are. I can't imagine you actually thought that submitting an RfA at this time would result in you becoming an admin. There wasn't anything to be gained from it but an excuse to wiki-kill yourself. Nobody has the responsibility for what you are doing but yourself. You are better than this, and you know what the outcome of this is; it's pre-determined. You're leaving people little choice but to vote oppose to you. If it was a fair RfA, it might pass...but it isn't. You tilted it from the beginning to make it a referendum against you, noting the ultimatum that pass or I leave. What did you expect? People to jump up and down and suddenly declare you to be great and grant you the admin buttons? RfA has never gone like that. You knew that. You put the trigger to your head. Please, stop this behavior. You're so much better than this. --Durin 15:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
meh RfA is broken... -- Catchi? 15:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I Can bend my words slightly. Can you RfC me for me? I do not know the procedure as the procedure changed greatly since my last one. -- Catchi? 15:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
RfC for what? --Durin 16:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Disruptive behaviour? -- Catchi? 17:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I guess this is a case... :o -- Catchi? 16:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Given your comments here on your talk page in response to me and others, would you be willing to withdraw your RfA? I ask this because it won't achieve any end you'd really want to achieve at this point. --Durin 17:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for withdrawing it. That's a step in the right direction. Now, can we work together on getting you back to editing the main namespace? --Durin 18:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
If you want to volunteer can you take a look at user:Muhamed's contributions? -- Catchi? 19:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I've already become somewhat....suspiscious to Mahamed's actions and comments. I'll request a checkuser on him. -ZeroTalk 21:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Graph
Will do. Give me a few minutes. --Durin 13:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Done. Image:CoolCat-edits2.png. --Durin 13:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't throw your toys out of the pram!
You are starting to lose it again! Just because you can't get your way doesn't mean you can't throw your toys out of the pram! Look at me, i would like to impose restrictions on numorous anon vandals who have been either vandalism for the sake of it or just want to unbalance some of the most senstive articles know on Wikipedia, but i can't and nor do i want too, because that could make me an unbalanced wikipedian, so i follow procedure and hope that justice is dealt.
You don't have to deal in senstive areas, just deal in areas which you know you can accomplish without problem. -Dynamo_aceTalk
The thing is I get yelled at for following the procedure. -- Catchi? 15:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
How exactly then do you follow the procdure, i put all vandels on a 3 strike system, with each vandal attack i detect scoring that user a strike. Strike 1, they get an general anon warning, strike 2, they get a general signed warning, and then strike 3, and then they get reported.
Maybe it is how you are warning users that may be the problem -Dynamo_aceTalk
Then maybe the category is too senstive for your liking and you might not have all the facts needed to enforce it properly. I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but you must know when functions end. Combating vandlism is one of them. -Dynamo_aceTalk
Precisely why I do not touch articles related to kurds. So I try to get peoples attention. Either on IRC or not no one cares. Hence I have to do it myself. -- Catchi? 15:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I intend to devote my time perfecting my bot (I do not leave unfinished work behind) and then send it to people and vanish from the project similar to User:RickK. -- Catchi? 15:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Then maybe you have to wait until a sutible soultion can be achieved by the community. We are all in this togther, and our enemy is the vandals who try to destroy the only fresh resource that is reachable by nearly everyone on the world. You still have a place here, i mean we are still waiting for an up to date audio version of Ah!My goddess! and its respective articles.So don't let people get you down or they will think they have won and drive you out, believe me, i have had this on me before. -Dynamo_aceTalk
Hmm... You know... you are manuplating me...:) -- Catchi? 20:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I wouldnt mind such privilages. Would save me edit summaries:) -- Catchi? 21:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Reply from sannse
Hi Cool Cat. I'm sorry for the slow reply, I've been off-wiki. I've read all you wrote on my talk page, and I can certainly see why you are feeling fed-up with Wikipedia at the moment. I wish I could help, I really do. Certainly, from what you say about the ban from #wikipedia, I would have protested and probably removed that - but that's not very helpful to say now. As far as I am concerned, you are a welcome member of the channel, and MARMOT is not.
On the categories, I won't second guess your mentor - but I will say this: it's sometimes very, very difficult for us to edit in areas of Wikipedia that we really care about. I know you don't want to hear any suggestion that you should stay away from that subject, but I think it's important to acknowledge that it will always be difficult for you to edit there. There will always be people who feel you are pushing a POV, and you will always have to fight your own preconceptions and firm ideas to find the neutrality needed.
I couldn't find the problem with the CVU and RFA, but I think that this is a wider problem anyway. RfA is certainly not an ideal process - none of our processes are really. How we change that, or even if we can change that, I just don't know. As I was saying on IRC before we got cut off - you have built up your reputation from your troubled early days. You haven't totally overcome them, because Wikipedian have horribly long memories, but you have come a long way. Whether it's possible to totally overcome those initial problems is impossible to say, I don't think I've ever seen it done I'm sad to say.
But that doesn't mean you are not a valued and valuable member of this project. So I really hope that thinks improve for you on Wikipedia and that you get back to enjoying it. And please don't burn your bridges, it's better to take time off and recover your breath than to get angry and make it impossible to return. You do some good work, and are someone I want to see stick around. -- sannse(talk) 22:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Do not think of leaving...
You nominated your self and apperently what you said for that RFA caused it to fail.... If you had not of done that you would of become an admin. Make some edits appologising about it and change how you express your self on it (still put forward your ideas but say it differntly...)
Also extend the amount of time that you will stay on wikipedia to longer than a year.
--Adam1213Talk+ 04:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
More to life.
Why all the concern about "rc patrolling"? Haven't you got more interesting things to do? THere are plenty of people running around doing that already. This is an encyclopedia. You don't need to be an administrator to edit. Furthermore, if you watch a few hundred pages, even a thousand or more, you can revert instances of vandalism or errant users simply enough with administrative tools. It's easy enough for somebody else to block if it needs to happen, but I think once you remove yourself from the politics that you won't find it to be as much of an issue. Regardless. Good luck, and try to destress a little. Avriette 04:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Umm no I am more hardcore than that. I watch over every edit on wikipedia. I filter the ones that are suspicious and people revert pased on that. AKA my bot. People who use the bot are trustable users some became admins just by using my bot. Which is fine. But when it comes to trust people cant trust me. People dont like me. People wont accept me. That what hurts me most. However on this rfa no one made "utterly stupid" remarks. Some remarks were not ok as they had nothing to do with adminship but was exponentialy better. -- Catchi? 18:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't revert again. There is a SPECIFIC REASON why that template is the way it is, so that we can convert Template:Main articles over to it. If a specific page looks incorrect, then fix it... someone is probably just mistaken about how to use it. -- Netoholic@ 19:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Template main have always been passed a string (article name) not a link. That's how it was always used prior to your edits. I am not willing to fix hundereds of links for you.
If you want to make an edit to a template you must be willing to fix any page you break. You have broken hundereds of pages. -- Catchi? 20:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I see lots of articles with broken links, from what understand you are willing to break a large number of pages (thousands) without hestiation for no good reason. -- Catchi? 21:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Please do tell me which articles are "broken". -- Netoholic@ 21:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat is one. -- Catchi? 21:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I SAID "ARTICLES". Lazy. -- Netoholic@ 22:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe many areticles whould be broken like that. user pages are like articles. They are not to be broken. -- Catchi? 22:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikiholism and Meta
I can see you have spent a lot of effort gathering the texts on Wikiholism to Meta. I can see no point in doing that, as most articles in the Wikipedia projects do have wikilinks to cover the need to find an article in another language. Why should Wikiholism be treated otherwise? (It's not like the election documents, which in some way were official documents from the board of trustees.) RaSten 08:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikiholism has nothing to do with the "Wikipedia Encyclopedia", it is rather an illness among wikipedia editors. The pages explaining Wikiholism do not help article namespace to improve hence the Wikiholism concept is strictly a part of "wikipedia culture". Also true Wikiholics perefer meta.:) -- Catchi? 11:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
It is in the Wikipedia namespace, not the main namespace. /130.235.57.231 13:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes and that namespace is primarily for wikipedia policies or proposed policies or guidlines or other stuff intended to assist editors on writing an encyclopedia. Wikiholism is not intended to that end. I am not saying its something useless, its just that for such stuff we have meta. -- Catchi? 15:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Most Wikipedias including the Dutch one don't like it when an unknown user wipes out a page whithout discussing it first on the talk page, so it will be reverted. When you want to make such a page on Meta, ok, but when you wipe out and move the page, also the history of edits isn't longer available on the page. Also the user has to click once more because redirection between Mediawiki projects does not function. JePe 17:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Well in a good faith environment such a move should not cause anyone any stress. Its a simple move.
The history is avalible on the nl page and a new history will develop on meta.
Yes the meta page redirect is not possible, just like all pages on meta. The user can click on the link. All links going to the nl:Wikipedia:Wikiaholic can be changed to go to m:Wikiaholic and problem will not be that bad. -- Catchi? 29 jan 2006 01:04 (CET)
What do you want to discuss further. It isnt easy to move a page to meta and had taken me several hours. I did the bulk of the work, all there is now is the blanking of the nl page:) -- Catchi? 29 jan 2006 01:06 (CET)
In a good faith environment, changes are made because the Wikipedians on a Wikipedia want them, not because a single Wikipedian from another Wikipedia wants them. - Andre Engels 19:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
What are you trying to say? I do not like your attitude. -- Catchi? 19:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
What I am trying to say, is that the Dutch Wikipedians are used to be the ones who decide what is and what is not on the Dutch Wikipedia. And that if you go make such changes on other Wikipedias (or even on the English one), that you can expect to be reverted. - Andre Engels 19:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
If you oppose such a move to meta w/o any reason please ask your self this "Will it change anything". The main reason this is moved to meta is that us Wikiholics will get together interwiki. Or at least that was my original idea. If you want to downright oppose, I cannot prevent you. I wont pursuit this any longer. Several languages have acknowleged the move some are resisting. I really dont care, your loss. -- Catchi? 20:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Next time you try to force the french wikipedia to move such pages to meta against their will, you'll be blocked. Each project is free to decide what to do with such pages. Please do not mix with other projects habits. Make the move to meta if you wish, but do NOT impose english habits on other languages (in short, do not impose moving the pages over there). Thanks in advance. Anthere 22:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I dare you to block me for that, I merely tried to unite interwiki communities on a bold attempt. For that I only get yelled at. -- Catchi? 22:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat.
I just now saw that you have put thet POV tag on the article: Kurds of Syria.
It is quite possible that the page still be one sided as you have mentioned there. But please say which parts in the article is so. I will be glad if you do so. I want the article to be a neutral one.
Thank you very much
Mesopotamia 15:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Sure, we have an article improvement drive going on for articles related to kurds going on (planned) at the moment. That article is on top of my list to be processed. -- Catchi? 16:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
So it's True?
So you're leaving us officially now? Shame. You'll be missed! --D-Day 22:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
If it is about that anon vandal who likes to leave unproven personal attacks, then i have ignored him.
Your just not trying to cool down, instead you are going back into "fights" that you can not win in any case. You need to focus on areas which can make a difference without disruption. And there is still lots of work to do.
But if you just want to fade away, fair enougth, i won't comment nor weep... but i will miss you. -Dynamo_aceTalk
This is not about battle variness or anon vandal (I have no idea of this anon vandal)
The only one responsible of my departure is myself. Since several disturbed people are holding me responsible of RickK's departure, I do not want anything like that over me.
People have contributed in the general level of annoyance I recieve:
Kelly Martin banning me from #wikipedia on IRC for me requesting a ban on a MARMOT sockpuppet.
I used to admire/worship her... Your role model turning against you is rather hard to swalow.
Tony Sidaway threatening to ban me from articles related to kurds for me reverting a sockpuppet
User in questions only contribution was tagging random articles with category Kurdistan, also opposed my rfa 3 and is an obvious pov pusher acusing random people of being "turkish/mongol nationalistic" (what ever that means).
Sorry Tony but threats are the worst way to comunicate with me you should have known by now. Tony I don't hate you tho.
kim_ on irc complaining and presuring me about the IRC channel restrictions forcing me to lift the restrictions
Did not even joined the channel after restrictions lifted.
Anthre threatening to block me if I dared "force" fr.wiki on to accepting something.
A Nl wikipedian (could be Karl Meier or davenbelle who knows) had been revert waring with me interwiki on languages he/she did not had any other contribution but reverting me. All I sugested was the move of a page to meta.wikimedia.
I only had two edits on fr wikipedia promting such a threat. Even if this was an idle threat it still served to its purpose. I have not ever been intimidated by threats and I do not intend to start now.
None above should be held accountable of anything. I just want them to know how I feel about it.
I should have left with dignity after my first rfa... Incident after incident, edit after edit its the same story. Comunity simply put is too hostile to work with. Instead of talking, people monopolise and declare ownerships. Such people are not regular users or anons but admins (one being a board member).
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was a dream for me. The longer it lasts, the more painful it is to awaken from it. I wish there was a pleasant enviorment free from hostilites here.
Good luck with all your future endeavors CC. Shame you had to go like this. You will be missed dearly. --D-Day 15:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Goodbye Cool cat
You were may favourite wikipedian.
--HamedogTalk|@ 22:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, sorry to see you go! Thanks for all your work (it was loads!) and all the best! --JoanneB 00:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I enjoyed working with you, your departure saddens me but I understand. Thank you for the help, advice and support you gave me. --Alfmelmac 10:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Perseving the dream!
As you have said that you want to be alone, so be it! But if you need someone, i am here.
I have posted a message on the Oh! My goddess! talk page about the postion for a spoken word version of the respective articles become vacant again. If anyone is intrested please go to Talk:Oh My Goddess!.
And i will perseve these pages so that vandels won't gloat about your departure from wikipedia.
Hmm... the infomation on ANN is not in chronical order but there is a bit i can use to enchance the article. As for all the roles she has been in, some of the roles she have done are only minor, adding them or a nearly every single apperarance may not go down well with other users because they are only minor and not significant apperances or the page could get overloaded if all her apperances are listed.
Therefore, i have included a IMDB link for now, and await your suggestions for improvement. -Dynamo_aceTalk
Do a section for major roles and a subsection (maybe) for minor roles. "Major" role is POV anyways :P. The ANN is ordered alphabeticaly, wikipedia is chronologicaly. i do not see why we shouldnt list her every appearance. We do that for movie stars no? See: Jackie Chan -- Catchi? 15:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Big and Little Wong Tin Bar jakie was only 8 years old on this movie. I seriously doubt he had a major role :P -- Catchi? 15:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 11:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
This image is exempt from copyrights. The image has a source and I believe that websie created. That image is in the public domain as it is avalible on many ambulances, ER uniforms, and even on ER rooms.
Tell me you were kidding with that warning. -- Catchi? 11:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I haven't seen that sort of ambulance star before, cause I'm in India and here we have a different type of cross. Anyways, the img was tagged as no copyright information, and so I thought I'd asked you. I'm sorry to here you're leaving. So many users are leaving nowadays (freestylefrappe, SWD316 and now you).--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 12:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I highly recomend checking history of an image to see if the tag was modified, which was the case for this image. -- Catchi? 12:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I did check the history, and since I'm no great shakes at copyrights, I wasn't sure what was correct since User:Simetrical had commented that The stated reason for the image being public-domain is impossible. Please see Wikipedia:Copyright and determine the legal status of the image. I was just checking. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 12:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Good riddance old boy
Glad to see you go. This is great news for the project. Erwin
Who are you? I don't think we have met. I am sure I would remember judging from your apathy. -- Catchi? 14:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from violation of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL, Erwin, or actions will be taken. That slanderous comment was extremely provocative. -ZeroTalk 14:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
is it really true?
hey man. you were one of the best. why did you go?? --84.56.56.103 16:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Some reasons:
Some people intentionaly give me hard time strictly to annoy me. At least I hope that's it. Otherwise why else would they complain about restrictions imposed on an IRC channel and never use it once restrictions were removed.
People dont even trust me to hand over admin power after a full year here. People who threatened to leave wikipedia on my forst rfa if I were to be adminise still vote oppose on the 3rd rfa complaining about civility and AGF. Granted adminship is a broken process and my rfa 3 wasnt remotely as bad as rfa 3 but still there are reapearing people voting oppose.
People I trust/should trust such as mentors, arbitrators, and board members are giving me a hard time. An arbotrator banned me from #wikipedia for requesting the ban of User:MARMOT who was taunting me in PMs. While the ban from #wikipedia does not slience pms it at least symbolicaly removes marmot from my presence. Youd think people would not ban good users. I got a oard member threating to ban me if I force fr wiki (I dont know how can I do that since I dont know french and had only 2 real edits on fr.wiki). I am not going to slander these individuals any further.
I am tired of contributing to a comunity whom the people in charge does not appriciate my prsence and efforts to the point of threatening me with blocks on even the slightest dispute. I would not put up with this even if I were payed, not that I care about money all that much.
Even in my last days here I get "the image you uploaded is for deletion" warning for an image designed for PD. But I can't blame the person posting that to my talk page as image history is quite silly.
If I stay people will annoy me knowing I wont leave. If I leave they wont annoy me. Also people use me as an excuse to oppose rfas. It is almost at the point of "'''Oppose''' User is a friend of Cool Cat ~~~~"
I realised primary source of my stress is from wikipedians on IRC not on #wikipedia-en-vandalism . Hmm... -- Catchi? 17:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
February
community
I regret the way the community appears to be treating you. There was a fairly long time in which I misjudged you, and while there may be a few issues where we still probably don't see eye-to-eye (e.g. Userboxes), I am glad we took the time to talk on IRC and were able to work constructively on things. There are some things the community is struggling with, and the well may be partly poisoned -- however you decide I wish you well. Take care. --Improv 04:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
What are the known symptoms of this poison? Any chemical analysis of it avalible? -- Catchi? 08:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Replacing images on ViP subpages
You're replacing the images on ViP subpages for particular vandals with the CVU image. Any reason? It just seemed odd when I noticed you doing it. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 16:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
? Hmm... No real reason. Was just bored -- Catchi? 16:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
image edits to vandal profiles
Why are you doing this? Did I miss an important discussion regarding these pages? —FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 16:50, Feb. 1, 2006
? Hmm... No real reason. Was just bored -- Catchi? 16:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Help
Hey,
you have helped me before and I was wondering if you could help me out here. I wanted to start a page that would be an anti vandalism page. (Like the Counter-Vandalism Unit). I started a page that explained what it was and when the page would be operative. An admin deleted it and told me to put in on the village pump. I couldnt find a place in the village pump to place my page construction. Could you help me.
(if what i said is confusing, then tell me and I will try to make it easier, because I think i didnt explain this clearly enough)
Beware that even the best proposals are litteraly "treated like shit".
The semi-protection when I proposed it recieved no sympathy and I was scorned for it, it was later implimented once we had CNN coverage. I am telling you this to be prepared for "wierd comments".
You will be accused of being a "millitary dictator" for example. People will also use Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit as another example "why this is a bad idea". ANd people will use it as an excuse to oppose RfAs etc. Some will call it a cabal... Endless nonsense yes.
In addition it will continiously cause you stress. Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit only achived to stress me (aside form throtteling vandalism down but no one cares about that).
For example if you have an IRC channel with newly-imposed restrictions
People complain about the restrictions
Cause you hours of work to find a way to lift the restrictions and still make the channel "secure".
Asking people to register their nicks is unnaceptable for example.
Then once restrictions are gone the person complaining does not EVEN use the channel ONCE or EVEN join the channel.
This is how it will go. I am telling you this in advance so you know whats waiting you.
If you are willing to take all that do this: Try creating the page on User:Activision45/proposal (or any name you choose under your userspace).
I'll be able to "guide" you better once I see whay kind of a proposal this is:).
Hi, I noticed your interaction on User talk:Anthere, and also your creation of a joke category (Sock puppets of George W. Bush) and some joke notices on User:George W. Bush and User:☺♥§¡¡PhüçGèõrgëW.Bûsh!‼!♀♪►☻.
I've reverted the joke noticed and deleted the category. No harm done, but please don't play that game again.
Could you explain what happened on the other wikis? What parts were you trying to move to meta? I'm asking this as your mentor, so please take this as a semi-official query on behalf of the English Wikipedia. If people on other wikis are getting upset at you, they would expect us, as the people who know you best, to play a part in resolving any problems. --Tony Sidaway 11:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Ill summarise since this is getting complicated. Ill use bullets:)
I decide being a Wikipediholic I move all pages explaining Wikipediholicism symptoms to meta on all languages.
I go ahead and copy every page on every language to meta.
I blank pages to take the attention of local comunities, I did not outright blank pages but leave a link to meta. I did this after creating a copy in meta.
Some mistaken this for vandalism while others did not. Once I explained them this is not vandalism but a "standard" meta move (no harm is done with the move).
True Wikipediholic's prefer meta rite?:) Also after all meta is not english, many pages have multi lingual links (you know what I mean). If individual comunities for any reason do not want the move I have no way of forcing them after all I am one person and can only revert so far. And also I dont care about other language wikis. I did not revert a single comunity against the comunities will.
Fr wikipedian reverting me on polish wikipedia: http://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedioholik&action=history Id like to note unlike his claims I have discussed with the polish guys in #pl.wikipedia prior to the move. Since I know them from RC patroling efforts of mine and theirs. And again it isnt the local comunity deciding it is the Fr.wikipedia deciding for another comunity. -- Catchi? 12:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Same goes for japanese wikipedia: ja.wikipedia issue I again discussed this on IRC and notice the local comunity reverting the anon reverting me.
Without having any discussion Anthere threatened to block me if I "forced" this issue on fr.wikipedia in a self contradictory manner. That en.wikipedia policies did not applied to fr.wikipedia (yea I know it doesnt) and that if I "forced" the issue on fr.wikipedia I would be blocked. etc. etc. (while I was beeing reverted by the nl.wikipedia guy who also has a fr.wikipedia account. Judging from his contribs he is not very active on fr.wikipedia)
So yea... thats in sum what it is. -- Catchi? 11:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
My belief is that it is either Davenbelle or Karl Meier (who I know is active on nl wiki) or it is some other individual I never met stalking me interwiki. And for THAT I get block threats.
I also noticed the french campaigning against my move/me while preparing the evidence.
Okay, I can see why you might want to put such an article to meta; I can also see why your actions could be viewed by other people as disruptive or unwanted meddling. I'm not excusing their actions, but I don't think it's necessary to get into a war about this.
I think the solution would be for you to leave the different language versions on meta, but place a note (preferably in the local language) on the talk page for the local wiki version, explaining that there is a copy on meta but you'll leave it up to the local people to decide for themselves whether they want to redirect to that one.
On local languages, prepare a translation if you know the language or can find someone who does--for instance I can write good French and Spanish if you don't know those languages, or you could ask User:Rama, who is a native French speaker, to translate into French. User:Dbachmann is, I think a native German speaker, and User:Ausir is Polish. But I expect you'll have some speakers of foreign languages through your CVU contacts.
I want to counsel you to be very sensitive here. This isn't an area for speculation about people out to get you and it certainly isn't the time to get into arguments with people like User:Anthere, whose commitment to Wikipedia cannot be questioned. I know you have had to bite your tongue and do the right thing a lot, and I admire your fortitude greatly. Please, please tread carefully. An argument at Foundation level is one thing I could not rescue you from. Rather than risk that, I would step in and make a cross-wiki ban recommendation which I would expect you to observe, just so that you would not end up being hard-banned. I am not yet about to ban you, but I am very worried about your interaction with Anthere. Tread very carefully. And I advise you to swallow your pride and apologise to Anthere. --Tony Sidaway 13:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I will not "swalow my pride" and rather leave wikipedia, thats how my personality goes. Under no circumstances will I apologise for getting threatened. I am not questioning Anthere's contribution to wikipedia, her contribution does not give him the right to threaten me like this.
I do not fear if the argument hits the Foundation which will likely cause Anthere problems. I prefer it doesn't come to that however. If the Foundation prefers that board members threaten "good wikipedians" (aka people who rc patrol write articles) then I have no reason to be here. Also I really have nothing to loose. I am not even entrusted with admin privilages and am one step from leaving wikipedia. Furthermore, I will not observe any "cross-wiki ban" because some board member decides to play the The Almighty.
I believe justice does exist among wikipedians and Ia also believe board members are not entitled to threaten random "good wikipedians" with blocks without even talking to them. If no one else is willing I'll stand up for the "truth" or die (get blokced indefinately) while trying.
May I add that I find very peculiar that Cool Cat feels allowed to change these pages without consulting the local communities first, even re-reverting after he has been reverted in two occasions (es: and fr:), yet gets angry with his opponents for reverting him on other wikis than their own? I also find his remarks here and here to sound like he has very little feeling for community. "It should not bring a lot of stress - I did a lot of work on this, it should just be blanked - do what you want with the page, you're causing me unnecessary stress". As for Anthere threatening to block you: Doing an edit then reverting it does sound like trying to 'force' to me. Your mileage may vary, but just realize that in many non-English Wikipedias there is much resistance against (real or imagined) 'imperialism' from en:. Barging in and make changes because you like them when others don't is not going to increase your popularity.
Addition: The block threat was based on a message to me on the wikipedia-l list, see here and here. Anthere reacted here, apparently hearing of them for the first time and getting quite enraged. - Andre Engels 13:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I dont care about my popularity or wikipolitics. I never had any popularity in the first place. I got harrased constantly by individuals unlike anyone else.
I have been reverted by same people interwiki even when I discussed it with the comunities on IRC and they said it was a good idea. Local comunities who liked the meta idea were also reverted. See th and ja wikipeida. I do not care what goes on wikipedia-l. I blanked to take comunities attention. Posting on talk pages no one looks at will not get anyones attention.
I will revert war on against french wikipedians on japanese wikipedia. If the japanese comunity decided they dont do meta then I would backed down as I did on Nl note that i did so with great disapointment.
never the less I thank you for posting liks to the mailing list. I did not even know about it prior.
Thanks for the tip, if i'm on IRC anytime soon, i'll head into that channel. I have a question for you, but i'll wait a bit. I need advice from outside Wikipedia on it first. Karmafist 12:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok:). If its a "private" issue you can always email.:) -- Catchi? 12:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
How's it going...?
Hello Cool Cat. I am so estatic to see you decided to stay with us, and I'm happy you seem to have calmed down. I hope that you continue to remain in the wikipedian community, and I know that many would hate to see your departure. Please drop by my talkpage and talk if there's anything bothering you. -ZeroTalk 21:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I have not calmed down. I decided to stay with newer incidents and also the recent nonsense in the mailing list. I have no intention of sorting that out. Also I have aboard member threatening to block me (out of the blue since she did not bother talking to me). If I run now it would look as if I was beeing scared away. I intend to be more agressive now since people are dedicated in giving me a hard time, Ill have to shake them off for good. -- Catchi? 00:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I saw your conversation, although I haven't looked into it. Therefore, I do not know what each side of the party's standpoints are, although not engaging in discussion before the threat of a block seems very unbecoming of a board member. Just try to stay out of trouble, or I won't consider letting you have any of this. -ZeroTalk 00:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Doing a headon with a board member is like dancing on thin ice. I am already at severe disadvantage and expect serious hostility from the masses. I do not care about that however so long as justice is met. People annoy me for a hobby and I am begining to get used to it (ok thats a lie). -- Catchi? 00:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Just attempt to continue to edit in good faith. If anyone objects, the best they can accuse you of is doing what you thought was just for the encyclopedia. No need for the negativity. -ZeroTalk 01:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm? I am trying to defend CVU a few lines below. I dont think I can "assume good faith" so long as people campaign against CVU. -- Catchi? 02:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
CVU logos
Why are you opposing the CVU logos? apears on almost every userpage, does that mean foundation supports every userpage? I dont quite understand. -- Catchi? 17:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I oppose them for two main reasons. 1) They contravene the Foundation's visual identity guidelines. 2) They falsely imply the CVU is in some way Foundation-supported. I know that is explicitly denied lower down, but the size of the logos and their prominence at the top of the page (and the fact that the disclaimer is fairly low down the page and many will skim-read it) do make the suggestion hard to avoid. Sam Korn(smoddy) 20:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
You should know I have been dealing with senseless complaints from people such as kim_ complaining about the restrictions imposed on the IRC channel to restrict access to the bot (due to malicious people impostering people). After I lifted the restrictions completely ignoting concensus established among people in the channel he did NOT even join the chan
With such people I only get stressed and day by day spend more time dealing with "complaints", I have quit editing wikipedia mostly and left RC patroling completely so as to deal with constant complaints. What stuff complains about is how "CVU" looks. All cosmetics such as the logos copyrihts. People at CVU have been "under attack" of complaints about CVU cosmetics for ages now and are distracted from focusing on fighting vandalism in order to defend themselves/CVU.
Lets assume your claim is correct that CVU logo violatis wikipedias copyrights on wikipedia, regardless of the boards permision. It is not like wikipedia is going to sue wikipedia for copyrights. Can you please spend time pursuing copyright violations on wikipedia aside from the CVU logos. There are maybe thousands of images/pages that should be deleted because they are violating non wikipedia copyrights. CVU and its members are constantly under fire by people who oppose CVU. They have their reasons, some do it just to annoy me (I am not remotely suggesting you are trying to annoy me).
You may ask "Why is the CVU's logo so important?" and there isnt an easy answer to that. Many of the people discussing want to get rid of the image (perhaps primarily to satisfy "copyright paranoia" of people such as yourself but thats my POV). For me CVU logo is one of my rare creations. I also like the image with the wikimedia logo on it.
About your points:
Board was fine with the image. Can I have a link to these guidelines so I can discuss the matter better.
I'd like to inquire what part of the logo implies "foundation support" as I do not see how thats possible.
If it is wikipedia logo warranting foundation support, that would mean the foundation is supporting every place the wikimedia logo apears on.
If it is the text, well Image:Wikimedia.png apears on almost every userpage with the words "Wikimedia foundation" and has the wikimedia logo. It is possible to falsely imply foundation support from any image if you look hard enough.
Unlike other people you are civil while talking to me, least I can do is respond back in a civil tone. If for any reason above stuff was not civil please accept my apologies.
Foundation's visual identity guidelines are at . My contention in particular is that the position contravenes the "Placement" section. Note that Anthere explicitly denies that there is Foundation permission given. I shall dig up the links to the Foundation-l archives and answer your other points when I'm not feeling so ill. Sam Korn(smoddy) 16:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm so the coments I got on my talk page giving me permision to use the image is a lie? link is from image description. There was no such thing as "board aproval" back then but there were also no objections. Now, if the board complains about the image we will deal with it. You are not the board and please let the board deal with such issues. I encourge you to use your time more effectively. However if you really like we can discuss the image based on the "Wikimedia visual identity guidelines". Please however do not involve the mailing list and rest of wikipedia for this trivial matter that can be handled effectively without the ruckus. -- Catchi? 17:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
The colored Wikimedia logo should always be used on a white or very light gray background (max. 15% black), never on a colored background.
The logo should not be turned around or distorted
The cvu logo qualifies to above entries as far as I care aside from maybe the "very light gray background (max. 15% black)" bit. There may be some argument there but at the moment no such argument exists. That is easy to fix by removing the black triangles behind the wikimedia logo and would make the image not so cool. Is there anything else subject to copyright discussion?. Note that "Wikimedia visual identity guidelines" is a gudeline not a policy. I do not think it is absolutely necesary to follow guidelines letter by letter. -- Catchi? 17:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
In reading this I thought of Trademark and . The point is that the customer or user is best served when not mislead. I have no opinion as to what extent the logos and their uses mislead or not, but in my opinion that is the issue. WAS 4.250 20:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Questionable.
Just a heads up-- I'm questioning the concept of declaring war on vandals on the mailing list.
Thanks for the constructive criticism you left on my talk page; it's always edifying to learn about other people's concerns. --The Cunctator 00:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me so you are suggesting vandalism be welcome on wikipedia? Look I do not believe you are trying to destroy wikipedia. However what ever you have been doing is non-constrictive criticism that only achive to stress good users and delighted vandals. When was the last time you RC patroled? Or do you oppose RC patrols as well? -- Catchi? 01:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Declaring war on vandals makes us, by analogy, the Roman Empire. That doesn't seem like a good idea. I think there should be automatic mechanisms to encourage/force all editors to review RC. --The Cunctator 15:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
We are not the roman empier, "declaring war on vandals" hence cannot make make us the roman empier. The cosmetics (apperance) of terminology really should be the least of our worries.
Automatic mechanism such as? Not everyone wants to do RC patroling. Just like not everyone wants to vote on VfDs. The main problem with automation is vandals find ways around it. Not all vandals seek attention, some prefer to vandalise sneaky and brag about how long their vandalism stayed.
There are mechanisms encouraging RC patrol.
Thats exactly why I started the Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit to encourage people. I placed a cute/nice logo to seek peoples attention and a lot of people started RC patroling perhaps because of that.
There is also the RickK's anti-vandalism barnstar given to people who revert vandalism to encourage people RC patrol more.
The idea is to get people RC patroling without forcing them. Forcing people do things make us slavemasters :P. The point of the two thinsg I mentioned above is to "encourage". Also CVU is a place where we colaborate on how to deal with large scale vandalism more effectively. Anybody, assuming they are not vandals is welcome to join the colaborations. -- Catchi? 15:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Bot features/functions
Rather than clutter up your talk page, I've created User_talk:Cool_Cat/bots It might no be complete yet, but it's a start. If you wanted more detail on particular parts, let me know. --pgk(talk) 08:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
The bots files are indexed files, so I can directly access the data based on the "key" value. Python implements this quite easily and maintains a fair memory cache of recently accessed items, so it's a pretty quick to get to any item we know the key for. --pgk(talk) 07:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Re: Requesting assistance
Hi, well removing local copies of files on commons is generaly a bit of a cumbersome process (wich is probably why it has such a gigantic backlog) on acount of the requirement of preserving the file history for GFDL compliance. However these images seem straight forward enough, public domain and uploaded by you both places, so sure I can help you get rid of the duplicates, I'll get to work on the ones you orphanded with the 3 edits you listed on my talk page. --Sherool(talk) 15:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
You havent deleted the spanish ones yet:) -- Catchi? 00:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Italian ranks are now in comons too. those were the last. and are no longer necesary:) -- Catchi? 00:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I did delete the Spanish ones actualy, but it turns out someone else had copied those to commons under the same name already for use on the Spanish Wiki. I tagged them as redundant with yours though, some admin on commons will have to sort that out. I'll get on the Italian ones tomorow. I'm planning to get some sleep now... just have to fix my monobook.js file first. --Sherool(talk) 00:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
User Page award
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I want to achieve what I am doing there with 25 in one template. Ideas?
The images follow this pattern:
CC-Army-OF##.EXT
CC-Navy-OF##.EXT
CC-Airf-OF##.EXT
Where CC denotes country code and ## denotes nato code.
I'll let you take a look at it and then toss ideas. -- Catchi? 01:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat. I've been looking at the templates and they could definitely be condensed, but I guess the best way to restructure them depends on what you want to use them for. You could make a template like, {{insignia |country=BE|force=army|rank=1a}} which displays any given insignia based on the parameters passed to it, but at that point you might as well just use the 'image:' markup. Alternatively the template could just look for 'country' and 'force' as parameters and then, based on those two, conditionally display the list of insignia indicated. That would just involve copying the info from all the existing templates in and putting conditional logic around it. Another option would be to put the ranks in the parameter names like; {{insignia |BE-ar-1a=1|US-nv-9=1}} and then have the template logic display the insignia for which parameters have been set. It all depends on how you are looking to use the images I guess. Are they just going to be on a few comparison pages or would they be displayed on the pages of individual commanders and the like? --CBD☎✉ 22:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not happy with the templates as they are not generic enough. No argument there. When I created the templates an if/else structure did not existed.
One reason I am not sure how to handle the templates is that I do not have one solid patern. See luxembourg one for example or italian. How would I handle all that in one template.
The templates will be used just for comparasions AND are used on individual army pafes. For example see what links to the US, UK, Tr, GR etc ranks.
What I want to achive: Few/One generic template(s) that does what 26 templates are doing. I also dont want it to change the apperance (aside from perhaps condensing width a bit)
I put together a partial test at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox2. Feel free to play with it. Changing the country in the template call on the first line should change the insignia displayed. Somewhat glitchy, but a general concept for how one template could include the contents of the 26 and conditionally display info for the country or countries called. --CBD☎✉ 02:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.... You are tossing all images into one template. What I want to achiheve is to use a template repetively. (Use one templae for all countries). Template should be passed countries name, name of the ranks, branch of military... etc... Is this doable? -- Catchi? 13:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
That can certainly be done, but the tricky part would then be the formatting. How to tell the template to arrange particular insignia vertically rather than horizontally. That's why my first draft copied all the images/formatting in and then just displayed the requested set. I guess the '1' and '2' settings in your lists above are meant to indicate which row each insignia should appear in. Since it seems like the insignias for a particular country/force are always displayed together I'd suggest moving everything out of the call except {{insignia|Code=Tr|Branch=Army|Type=OF}}... which officer ranks exist for that country and the names assigned to them can be kept in the template code itself rather than having to be written into the call each time - unless you want to be able to do things like just display officer ranks 9, 8, 5 and 3 of the Turkish Army. Then all that detail needs to be in the call to the template. I'll work on it for a while now. --CBD☎✉ 23:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I put together a very simple template at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox2 which just calls the existing templates based on parameters passed to it and a much more complicated template at User:CBDunkerson/Transition which uses a switch to set various parameters in a call to User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox4 - which then builds the insignia layout based on the parameters passed. --CBD☎✉ 01:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Looks nice. Sorry I couldn't be more help working it out. --CBD☎✉ 22:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
No that was the easyone. And you did help me greatly. Now, can you find a way to simplify this one (and make it much more generic)?
I'll take a look. Also, a couple of things on the current template. For the little flags - UK needs 'the United Kingdom' to get the flag file name right, but then prints 'the United Kingdom' next to it instead of 'United Kingdom'. If I recall correctly there is a version of those flag templates which works off the country code (UK) which would leave 'Country' free to be just the text displayed. For {{Rank insignia OF/N}} (or OF/D) it might make sense to change it from |'''No {{{1}}}''' to just |{{{1}}} so it could be set to the UK's student officer text, "single white stripe", the US "Various", or whatever... one template with configurable text parameter. Could also add a second parameter for a label below it (like Officer Candidate). --CBD☎✉ 23:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I modified your template to handle both officers and enlisted at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox4. That calls various other pages in my userspace... mostly copies of your 'OF/1', 'OF/2', et cetera modified to accept 'OF' or 'OR' as part of the parameters passed in rather than hard-coding 'OF'. However, I also changed 'OF/N' (User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox2) to just display the text passed to it... which defaults to the No Equivalent contents of your 'OF/D'... since this can handle the effects of 'OF/0', 'OF/D', 'OF/N', and various unique text which is displayed I used it for all of those conditions and don't call the other templates. I also added an 'OF/3' at User:CBDunkerson/Transition to handle side by side display of multiple insignias the way they are shown in the enlisted tables. Currently only handles two (a & b), but a third can be added for the few cases which have 'c' insignias. --CBD☎✉ 01:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Images
Hi Cool Cat, no problem at all! Just tell me what you need.
By the way, I was also about to write to you. I was appointed admin in Wikipedia Malay two days ago and wanted to introduce all these awards in Wikipedia Malay portal. I wonder whether it would be possible to use templates to actually define the award, eg. "Best Article for March 2006" and stuff like that so that the actual number of logos used can be kept down. I will try to learn up a vector program so that the images will turn out better than the last one. Regards. —PM Poon 08:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, I have tried one sample before I proceed with the rest. I wonder whether you found the original image a little too dark; I almost missed the four flowers in DM-Army-OF9.gif. I have removed the white background and brightened the image.
The edge is jagged because the two sides are slant and this is a gif image. The only way to overcome this is to make both edge straight.
I didn't quite get what you mean by "Standardise images in one theme". Can you elaborate or give an illustration? —PM Poon 15:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, I have removed the white backgrounds for the 14 images. How do you want me to upload it as I do not seem to be able to replace the original images in Wikimedia Commons. —PM Poon 23:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
You can overite the commons one. The changes wont take effect immidiately. After the upload try purging your chache (ctrl+f5 for internet explorer and firefox). -- Catchi? 23:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Dick Userbox
Hi Cool Cat, would you consider removing the following from your userpage?
'''[[Image:Richard Cheney 2005 official portrait.jpg|45px]]'''
| style="font-size: 8pt; padding: 4pt; line-height: 1.25em;" | This user supports '''circumcision''' of '''[[m:Dick|dicks]]''' on '''[[Wikipedia]]'''.
See Jimbo's request. Thanks, Gchriss 18:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
If you have a problem with my userpage and addressing others about it before asking me I will of course decline you request.
Furthermore I see no evidence of comments by Jimbo regarding my userpage. -- Catchi? 18:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I haven't asked anyone else but you, Cool Cat. I should have stated Jimbo's appeal, located at the top of his talk page:
"I wonder if you might consider simply removing your political/religious/etc. userboxes and asking others to do the same."
Oh I see... The userbox is neither political nor religious. It is simply a self expresion. I dont like people who act like dicks on wikipedia. I am merely quoting a wikipedia guideline. -- Catchi? 19:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I think the policy is fine (except for perhaps a name change), but the first impression I had of your userpage is that you think Dick Cheney acts like a dick. Perhaps not what you intended, but some people can become touchy over politics. I will leave this to your decision. Thanks, Gchriss 19:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
His name is "Dick", I did not give him his name :P. I enjoy mocking famous/powerful people from time to time. Makes me feel powerfull. :P -- Catchi? 20:13, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm a little confused at a few of your recent edits. You removed the vandal 'logos' (for lack of better word) from various Vandalism in progress pages, such as this edit to MARMOT's page. Your reasoning for this was "lets not glorify vandals", which I agree with. However, you then added a vandal 'logo' to {{NCV}} in this edit. It seems to me that what is vandal-glorifying on one page is certainly vandal-glorifying on hundreds of user pages. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 17:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, how are you doing? -- Catchi? 18:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Rather bored as well. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 19:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Yep, us cabalians ocassionally get bored of wielding terrible tyranny over our poor victims.;) // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 22:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Participant alert regarding Wikiproject on Advertising
The Wikiproject No Ads, created as a backlash against the Answers.com deal, has served an important function in providing a space for users to express their disagreement with the Foundation proposal. While the current controversies about userboxes raise questions about political and social advocacy on Wikipedia, there should be greater flexibility regarding advocacy about Wikipedia in the Wikipedia namespace. Reported and linked by Slashdot and other press sources as a unique and spontaneous occurence in Wikipedia history, it has apparently had some impact as, despite being scheduled to begin in January, not a peep has been heard about the trial and proposed sponsored link since the deal's controversial announcement months ago. Currently, however, there is an attempt to delete the project or move it off Wikipedia altogether. Since the Foundation has provided no additional information and has not attempted to answer the specific questions that participants in the project raised, it is unclear if the Answers.com deal has been abandoned or simply delayed. Until the situation becomes more clear, I believe the group should still have a place in the Wikipedia namespace. Sincerely, Tfine80 23:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm pleging my support for the "no-ads" campagin on the grounds that if such a thing is happening then you can be sure i will be against such advertising on the Wikimedia network. We can but wait for the enemies to surface. -Dynamo_aceTalk
SOS! Help us out :P -- Catchi? 15:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm...Let them drown!:) (turns away the steering wheel) -ZeroTalk 15:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Never, they are among the rank-and-file (ha!) It's on my to-do list and I'll get around to the related articles in the next few days. Stay tuned, and thanks for your patience. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. Don't worry: it's on my to-do list. I anticipate getting around to the relevant articles in the next few days. I hope that's OK. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
That's ok. I am only panicing that I'd end up doing all the work. :o -- Catchi? 15:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I am emmensly impressed. The expansion and new rank tables are very neat. Beware of original research, though. A few of the enlisted ranks have never been talked about in the show and should be considered fan conjecture. Other than that...very nice job! -Husnock 00:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, please move those to the right place (conjectured ranks etc). I treated spike as cannon see this link for example as spikes site is rather nice. -- Catchi? 00:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Kuro-RPG says yes.
Hello.
I was sent an email asking for permission to use the ranksets on Kuro-RPG for Wikipedia use, and I hereby give permission for their use here.
Also, don't be afraid to check up on the website for updates. Sometimes I may be unhappy with the design of one of the templates, and I wish to "update" it. (Which also includes TOS and TMP ranksets, since they are due for an update)
Sincerely,
Kuro-chan.
Hi, actualy I was hoping to lure you here. And thank you for the image permission:) -- Catchi? 19:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the Best User Page Project
Let us try an experiment. Until further notice, the voting system will be open, using the method described in the Guidelines. This will make us understand how reliable the current system is and whether the project has a real possibility to expand into hundrends of users or not.
All users are encounaged to display the {{BestUserPage}} banner on their User Page.
All members all encouraged to display the {{BUP}} banner in their User Page, and also notify that the project has started.
We will refer to the votes for this first session as "March 2006" in the archive.
Thank you, howver I feel the userbox wouldn't generate the attention you guys are seeking, so I used something else. Hope you like it.:) -- Catchi? 00:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Excellent! I modified the template, thank you for your useful suggestion. Federico Pistono✆✍ 09:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Happy Valentine's day!
Happy valentines;) — FireFox • T • 10:33, 14 February 2006
Please do not blank a page and copy contents to another. Instead use the move button. We want to keep histories of articles.:) -- Catchi? 21:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
You will see, if you check the timestamps, that the article "Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland" , the full and correct name for the article was created before "Royal Anthropological Institute" , which is the colloquial name, and the more often searched, and was created solely for redirect purposes. No page blanking occured. Apology would be nice. MNewnham 22:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
A blanking did happen at FRAI. I am not suggesting you were mallicious, if I had the belief you were we wouldnt be talking. I am simply pointing you the "move" button. No reason to get hostile.
A move is basicaly what you were trying to do, right? Moving everything on FRAI to Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland was your intention, right? We use the move button for that opperation on wikipedia. The only difference with it and yourself is that by this way you preserve the page history (A.K.A. who wrote it).
A move was done by User:Drini for you. You may thank him.
Thank you for your time. -- Catchi? 22:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it wasn't a move - it was a merge and redirect of the information in FRAI into an existing article at RAIoGBaI. Now if there is some magic way of doing it apart from cutting the info from the source , pasting it to the target , then changing the original to a redirect please let me know. I notice the Dhini has destroyed the edit history of article FRAI, so obviously I cant prove this. MNewnham 22:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I am just trying to explain mediawiki (the software that runs wikipedia) to you. Your confortious tone is irritating, please modify your attitude. -- Catchi? 23:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm serious - I created RAIoGBaI brand new - If you look on dead end pages right now, you can see a link for FRAI. That link has been there for months. All I did was scrape what was on it and put it in RAI after I created it, then added REDIRECT to FRAI. Merge wasn't possible because RAIoGBaI already existed. but heres what is wierd. The history that is on RAIoGBaI is now the history that was on FRAI. The history on FRAI is gone, otherwise it would be verifiable as a dead end page. I'm sorry I irritate you, but call it a cultural thingMNewnham 01:00, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Image:St1AdPic.jpg
Hi. I'm very surprised at your removal of the tag. In what way have I gone against policy? I have tagged the image as possibly unfree and listed it on the relevant page for discussion by the wider community. The tag directs attention to the discussion allowing more people to participate. The JPS 00:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I do not find the above most sincere.
If you had any intention want to seek the attention of a wider community you would use the talk page of articles using the image.
I am tired of dealing with people paranoid about copyrights. Not only are we required to tag images now, we are also required to defend them frequently. You are the 3rd person/group I am discussing images' copyright status.
No one outside of wikipedia is paranoid about copyrights and I am staring to get annoyed.
Thanks a lot for creating a temp replacement for Devil's Due (TNG episode)--it's now in place as the article. By the way, it would be helpful in such cases if you could make a note at WP:CP, since we sometimes miss them (though we try our best not to). Thanks. Chick Bowen 02:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I didnt nominate the article and thought it was already listed there. I merely saved uncopyrighted knowlege from delete.:) -- Catchi? 03:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I wasn't clear. It was listed there; I meant to make a note that you'd created a temp to make sure we don't delete it accidentally. Anyway, yes, you saved it, and thanks again. Chick Bowen 03:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
^_^' I wish copyrights were processed with same care all the time.:) -- Catchi? 03:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's my first day. No doubt I'll be a callous wheel warrior soon enough.:) Chick Bowen 03:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Sadly I am not entrusted with admin privilages, however I am investigating your idea. -- Catchi? 23:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you..
For telling me about the suspission thing. I am not the infiltrating kinda person, or a vandal to say.
--Auburnfan4 00:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Auburnfan4
I am not saying you are inflating. All I am saying is people need to be carefull so innitialy things may not go as flawless as it should.:) -- Catchi? 00:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
User:Admin inclusions
You may want to keep that account blocked. Any username with "admin" in it is misleading. -- Catchi? 00:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat - yes, I know. I will reblock it in a little bit - don't worry. I'm in contact with the person who uses the account at the moment. --HappyCamper 00:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm..that was a bit vague - let me elaborate a bit further:-) -- The user for some reason was not able to create a new account even after unblocking the IP address that was autoblocked, so as a temporary measure, I've unblocked the entire username. I've told the person who is using the account to leave a note on my talk page once everything is done, at which point I will permanently block the old account again. --HappyCamper 00:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
A:Sorry to bother you, I should have trusted your instincts.:) -- Catchi? 00:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, not to worry - anytime. You can feel free to question anything I do. I'm really glad to know that others are paying attention. Makes me feel less alone around here at least!:-) --HappyCamper 00:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Such stuff is quite easy to manage on #wikipedia-en-vandalism:) -- Catchi? 00:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Ya...
I know that new commers need to earn trust, so they might not do things, like you said. Thank you for your help. --Auburnfan4 00:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Auburnfan4
edit comments
please try to use edit comments. you are editing pages i watch, and it's a pain to go and have to see each change. edit summaries help me spend less time going over my watchlist. aa v ^ 05:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Which page are we talking about? I generaly make edits that wont fit the edit summary or edits that are minor enough to not warrant edit summaries. I generaly use the talk page if I need to explain myself which generaly is unnecesary as I am not a problematic user. In truth I am lazy so if you tell me the spesific article I'll be more carefull on that one. -- Catchi? 00:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I am talking about all of them. I watch well over a thousand pages, manually. Regarding small changes, even when I change 'taht' to 'that' and submit the edit, I use the edit comment "typo." I once changed a whole slew of pages from "2th" to "2nd", and used the edit comment "2th -> 2nd", and left the edit "minor." It isn't hard to add edit comments, and it is generally viewed as responsible and important. aa v ^ 17:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I watch over all articles on wikipedia via my bot. I am generaly lazy and often forget edit summaries. It is something I am yet to get used to.:) -- Catchi? 17:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I'd appreciate if you'd abide by the request at the top of that page: don't edit it while I'm doing so. I've reverted your edits.--nihon 23:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Why can't we co-exist. Why can I never edit with people. Anyways check the diff and make the corrections yourself then. Inoue-san has one and only one daughter. -- Catchi? 00:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any problem coexisting with you. The only problem I have is when people make edits to pages when I'm in the middle of doing a major edit. That's why I used the {{inuse}} tag. Why do you feel the need to go against my request not to edit the page while I'm working on it? That's hardly the sign of someone wanting to coexist. --nihon 00:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to argue or respond to that, just don't make a similar remark to anyone else as they would eat you alive on wikipedia. I am, to say the very least, displeased with your response. -- Catchi? 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't have anyone else besides you editing a page marked {{inuse}}. It's marked that way on purpose. If you don't like it when someone gets upset with you because you're ignoring the polite and reasonable requests of another editor, then it's your problem, not mine. At the very least, you should have posted asking if it was okay to make an edit since it was marked {{inuse}}. --nihon 20:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
The thing you are trying to do is not an easy task. I never dared to attemt to do it myself, however I am not happy the way you treat my obviously productive edits. I did not edit anything on the lists, I could have as obviously the OVA and Movie sections are yet to be written. I am trying very hardnot to give you a hard time, so please show the same courtesy.
The procedure is that you write articles on your userpage and copy to article space after. I have no reason to ask/require that as I have no intention of giving you a hard time. Last thing you want to do is give a fellow otaku a hard time.
You may want to take a look at List of Oh My Goddess episodes. I wrote most of that featured list and I want this one to be a featured list as well. I can apply a similar style once you are done. The hard part of course is gathering the data. -- Catchi? 20:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
There is a person or two who wants to move this page elsewhere or perhaps try to get it deleted if they fail this. Thought youd want to know and perhaps voice an opinion. -- Catchi? 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm..I thought that discussion was already over. I'll check it out. Thanks. (^_^) --nihon 20:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Yea I thought so too... -- Catchi? 20:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Article is undergoing major edits by parties trying to delete it. They are removing lots of sections and even claiming Rice University is an unotable source. -- Catchi? 20:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
hey, care to contribute here?:) -- Catchi? 21:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I would love to but due to the AFD, i will have to decline. Besides, i don't know what i can give to the article. -Dynamo_aceTalk
AFD will most certainly fail. I am not sure what you can do but you may find information regarding the Kawaii cult. -- Catchi? 02:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Actualy there were two other images that were recently removed. Feel free to contribute to the article.:) -- Catchi? 21:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry the removsl of AFD notice was unintentional. -- Catchi? 02:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
No probs. For the record: I'm not for deletion of the page, although I don't agree with the loanword statement (I don't even know who Gwen wossnim is) and do not want to get into the middle of a revert war if I can help it. Shiroi Hane 02:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I am at least not suggesting it is a load word, I am merely suggesting it may (not will or is) turn out to be one as more and more people seem to be using it. That should be perfectly fine with NPOV right? -- Catchi? 04:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, it started as a young women movement, then spreaded practicaly everywhere else... Random "criticism" w/o citation can go (as you removed):) -- Catchi? 12:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I know several (definitely) non-female, and (debatedly) non-young guys at work with things on the desks or stuck to their keitai which would be a laughingstock in other places. I think I mentioned the HelloKitty trucks in another post. There's just a pervasive "kawaii" attitude in Japan. Looking around my den at the various junk, er, cultural icons I've accumulated, I guess I'm a victim of the cuteness, like everyone else. :) I think I disagree with pretty much everybody on the talk page, if that's possible. The ones who want to kill the article don't want to acknowledge the cultural aspects of Kawaii, just because there is no officially named cultural aspect. The other side seems to want to throw the label around onto things which are Kawaii by association, like "Kawaii style".
Personally, I think the article can be refashioned with a leading sentence like "Kawaii is a term used in manga/anime circles, to encompass a broad area of Cuteness related to Japanese art and culture". Continue from that with a description of the Japanese adjective, and some varied examples of Kawaii (not just anime cels, but grown men with Anpanman cell phone straps, or my Tom & Jerry bankbook, etc). Maybe it's unfortunate that the anime subculture looked at "cute" anime, and decided to adorn the genre with Kawaii just because the word and the anime were both Japanese. As someone pointed out, there is no "Kawaii Manga" section at a Japanese bookstore. But, that's the term that you're stuck with. I also wonder about Kodomo, Seinen, and some other wikipedia entries which are standalone Japanese words that describe manga genres. This same battle may erupt there, as well. Neier 13:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh I am not disputing Kawaii is in every office of all ages and gender. It just started as a young girl movement according to few articles I read (historic background). Arent we all victims of cuteness... Kawaii in anime/manga (main industry by far) should be in article, all we have is three images from anime atm. Is there any anime/manga NOT kawaii? I do not believe so as it wouldn't sell. Tom and Jerry would be a fine example of Kawaii in other cultures.
Kawaii style is broad and goes without saying it is suggesting something like "fiction style". It is something goes without saying and taken for granted in Japan and perhaps by anime/manga fans outside japan as well but for a stranger it is most certaily a cultural insight. Antropology isn't easy to write about.
The talk page debate currently is how to shorten the article, frankly I have never seen any wikipedia editor who tries to delete the article, fails, and basicaly blanks the article by "removing pov" even if the pov is cited.
Thanks for mentioning this to me when we chatted. I agree that we shouldn't mess with good articles like this--and there is a huge keep consensus. --Tony Sidaway 04:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I was going to tell that on IRC but got distracted, and you were gone when I returned. The current problem is people who tried to get the article deleted are now trying to do the same via manual delete (aka removing everything they see fit such as the fashion section). He says he is "prepared for the onslaught of neologist Japancrufters" which I find somewhat insultive (although am not loosing sleep over it). Hence, I think there is a problematic situation. -- Catchi? 05:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely. More and more nominators are failing to piece together the true purpose of an deletion discussion, and should only be executed when the person has an hold on the source material. -ZeroTalk 05:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh this isnt deletionism at its best grasshopper, I dealt with more extreme cases.:) -- Catchi? 05:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Proposal
Ok, thanks for the heads up. I have been gone for awhile, but I have managed to write up the Anti VAndalism Proposal. User:Activision45/proposal
Tell me what I should add, take away. Or what I should do next. Im not to talented at wikipedia still. So if your willing to help me, I would very much appreciate it. If your too busy to help me, then tell me, I understand.:)
Your edit in this diff shows that you have breached the arbitration decision by restructuring a talk page (remedy 4, "Coolcat prohibited from restructuring"). I've asked the person reporting this to notify the breach on WP:AN/I where action may be taken, including a block. If you persist, you will certainly be blocked, possibly by me. If things get out of hand I will completely ban you from editing the article and its talk page.
Please reconsider your obstructive and hostile approach toward others in the discussion on this page. I am patient, but I won't suffer any nonsense. --Tony Sidaway 19:03, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... Mkay... The "hostile approach" is a product of their approach visible on: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kawaii. Their idea of article writing is unnaceptable. The even dispute legitness of sources such as this. So far they have only been dicks... I am prepared to work with people who are not prepared for the onslaught of neologist Japancrufters. -- Catchi? 16:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, when you delete a consensus poll reflecting a 7-0 supermajority just because you disagree with it, and the supermajority includes people who you invited to the debate, you are not showing good faith or demonstrating that Wikipedia principles come first. Yes, there has been a bit of give and take, some very different perspectives, and some frank words, but at every step including the AfD everyone has respected consensus. As a result, the article has gotten larger, having gained more content, more sources, a greater variety of images, and it is growing more polished. If you are editing in good faith and you fully understand what consensus means, then you should be happy about the improvements to the article. I'm sorry for our differences, I wish you a speedy recovery, and I hope it will become clear to you that positive things have come from this dispute even though we took a bumpy scenic route to get there. Cheers. The Crow 22:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry!
Im so sorry to hear that! I hope you feel better!:)
USER Heja Helweda IS VERY PROBLAMATIC AND ONLY PLACES POV AND FALSE INFO
She actually verifies things through bad sources and is selective and has managed to high jack several articles with POV and untrue information. She also tries to portray Kurdistan as a Country and is re-invesnting Kurdish history.
Here and her group disgard are relavant info in the discussion page and basically say it is a democratic vote each time to someone with scholarly information. There are editing wars and she has clearly showed she is very biased and a fabricater of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.139.250 (talk • contribs)
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The image is the logo of Turkish Armed Forces. I have added the official website and image is visible:) -- Catchi? 15:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Edition of Zaza People
Merhaba Cool Cat, en:Zaza people sayfasini kontrol edebilir misin? Bazi kisiler kaynak gostermeden makaleyi keyiflerine gore degistiriyor. Senin koydugun uyariyi da silmisler. --Daraheni 20:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I've attempted an comprimise in this matter, as Brian rears an valid point. I agree that the external links as an whole are very useful, but the removal of a few could be warrented. I'd like your thoughts on this. Hopefully, we can all come to an agreement on this matter, as this situation and the current remedy seems very sensible. -ZeroTalk 21:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
That sounds doable. And Brian seems to sit well with the idea, so I shall go and trim down the template somewhat. If you feel my judgement after doing so was in error, please feel free to revert and we can all return to the drawing board. Don't hesitate to pay an visit to my talkpage. -ZeroTalk 22:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what idea you're saying I "sit well with". What I would like to see is: (1) list the official site and no more than one fan site on Oh My Goddess!, Oh My Goddess! (manga), Oh My Goddess! (OVA), and other high-level articles; (2) remove all official site and fan site listings from articles about individual characters or episodes (unless you have a link to a page specifically about that character or episode); (3) remove the template, since any links which would have to be changed often enough to require a template are most definitely not the sorts of links which belong in Wikipedia. As this is an issue which is not limited to the three of us, please continue to discuss this at Talk:Oh My Goddess! rather than copying the discussion to user pages. - Brian Kendig 22:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
What I'd like to see:
I hope you will also make comprimises as one fan site is not enough, how about 2,3?
Individual articles and characters used to appear on the official fansite. The official fan site is currently being redone and links are changing. I intend to do what you request by aprilmay (as season two should air by then and the website would be completed)
Template makes it easier for me to apply same links on similar pages. It is a static template, you can use templates like that. {{NPOV}} is a static template for example;)
There is room for improvement, I am more than wiling to cooperate if you are willig to assist, but meanwhile please withdraw the deletion request. I do not need the stress of deletion, we can achieve what you seek (or maybe something better) through cooperation.
I have been mostly lonely on articles relating to Oh My Goddess! and would apriciate any help.
Thanks, but please sign your comments in the future. -- Catchi? 15:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! -- Catchi? 17:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
No problem! I'm on a wikibreak of sorts ... ha!
I've also started to tweak the intros and content for the various articles, starting (for now) with the various admiral articles. I've also been adding real-world links and (what I think) are relevant See also links/sxns to each of them; I got into a bit of a pissing match regarding Fleet Admiral (Star Trek) and may yet revise it, but my work isn't done.:)
In any event, thanks for your hard work on giving these rank articles the treatments and structure they deserve. (As well, I hope your surgery was trouble free.) Hailing freqencies open whenever you need 'em, but closed for now. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 17:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Surgery went ok (I am not dead so thats good :P).
There is more room for improvement, I encourage you to stick around.
I need your assistance. I'm currently attemptig to revise Template:Oh My Goddess Extlnk similar to Template:Imdb name, in that we can swith out varible sspecific URL's for each character, but I cannot seem to achieve this. Perhaps you can help. -ZeroTalk 18:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The template's respective talkpage also may fill you in, if you're confused as to what I'm trying to do.:) -ZeroTalk 19:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Another award
I see someone above gave you an "award". Here's another one, expressing what the majority think! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 18:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Domo arigato!:) -- Catchi? 19:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Idea for Wikicity
I have an idea for a Wikicity called Fanficpedia (An alternative title could be Fandompedia)
The idea is this, why don't we have a wikipedia style enclopeida for fandom. It would contian articles on fanfic series, charathers, and general fandom terms and sites. For example, there could be article on my Morpan fanfic series, complete with seperate articles for its charathers. It will all be non-baised.
The reason behind such a project is that only the most popular and well known fandom articles are allowed on Wikipedia. To prevent having minor fandom based articles from poping up on Wikipedia only to have them being removed due to them being "vanity" pages (which happened before with Wookiepedia, and eventally lead to the creation of such a wikicity to give such articles its place)
So, what do you think, does such a project need to exist? If you have questions, let me know. If you like it and can think you can help create a statment to submit to wikicites, let me know as well. There is also a test area where you can show off some examples, so if you need me to show some examples off, i can create some. -Dynamo_aceTalk
Actualy such projects exist such as memory-alpha for star trek. However I really like to stick to cannon.:) -- Catchi? 14:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, i understand you pefer cannon to alternative work, but how about a genreal fandom repostrioy for all those fandom users to submit unbaised enclopedia articles of their work, all in one place for refrence? Because only the best fandom related material gets on Wikipedia and i don't think anyone would like a repeat purge of "vainty like" artices because of it. -Dynamo_aceTalk
Oh they do that regardless (such as the nonsense I observed on Kawaii). I do not mind you starting such a wiki. I however perhaps wont be involved :P -- Catchi? 15:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, but i might not be able to do a statment for wikicities propley, can you help out with that?
I really dont know, I want to help but I dont know how, try asking to User:Sannse. She is wikicities staff after all...:) -- Catchi? 21:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Winged logo
Hi again, I finally got around to editing the winged logo. I went ahead and did it in the .gif format (no anti-aliasing, but a .png version is also available) and uploaded it over the old one on commons. I hope you like it, but if you don't, I'm open to suggestions, or feel free to revert it.— TheKMantalk 23:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I kinda like it. Can you make it more like Image:Goddess Relief Office.gif? Notice the cenral ring and how much smaller the bulls eye is. Also the color of the rings should be darker, to a more golden color... If posible can you adjust it like that?:)
Sure, I could do that. Also, do you want a wing style more like Image:Goddess Relief Office.gif, or is it fine as is?— TheKMantalk 14:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
More like it but I prefer pure white wings:) -- Catchi? 16:39, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello! Regarding the {{Wdefcon}} template and the suggestions from the recent TfD that it should be shrunk... I have posted my solution suggestion on it's talk page. Since you are technically the "owner" of the template, I'd be happy with your opinion on this matter. Thank you. Misza13(Talk) 20:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Merhaba, There is a dispute ongoing in the article Iranian peoples. Some Pan-Iranist users are changing the defintion of Iranian peoples (an unknown and not widely used term) from its linguistic meaning to linguistic, cultural and racial issues. According to their wrong defintion many people are labelled as Iranian, including parts of Turkish population. If you have time and are interested in the issue I ask you to join the discussion. Thank you very much.
DiyakoTalk+ 22:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Sure I'll work on it however I am not sure what exactly the dispute is. -- Catchi? 22:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply,
Since long ago there was a dispute on this article, the first time I saw it shoked, never heard of such a strange definition, everytime I asked for sources they rejected, so that i became suspecious, and after a while realized that the article is original research!
I suggested merging or redirecting it with page Iranian languages or demographics of Iran. The term Iranian peoples by itself in 99,9999% or almost 100% is used for people who live inside Iran not those who live outside Iran.
The term Iranian peoples is not a widely used an accepted term, so that i once even nominated it for redirection or deletion.
The relation among speakers of Iranian languages in most cases is only a simple linguistic classification. they are more different than any other existing group which speak a language family.
Most of them are not decendant from ancient iranians, even persians by themselves are not pure Arian.
Also Aryan is not exactly as ancient Iranians. ancient Iranians were only parts of Aryan.
Speakers of iranian languages culturally are totally different from ancient Iranian peoples.
Speakers of iranian languages speak different languages and have different cultures.
Their only argument is some weak personal POVs and not supported by verifiable sources except some weak pro-Iranian references which even directly do not discuss the matter.
Thank you again.
DiyakoTalk+ 23:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello Cool Cat, I just became aware that you are trying to follow the discussion. I would like to point out a few things. First, I quote one of the posts here:
The word Iranian people has been used in many academic sources. The article is well cited. Here is also another example of such usage: in brittanica: , in scientific literatures:, news: (ethnic Iranians) United nation’s definition for Lor as ethnic Iranian:
Other sources, which are scholarly papers hosted by a University of London institute, can be found at http://www.cais-soas.com/Essays.htm. These also include the classification (as common in scientific literature) of Kurds and Azeris as parts of Iranian peoples.
The whole discussion started due to a dispute at the Kurdish people talk page, on which a few editors tried to remove all notions of relations among Kurds and Iranians. As this contradicted evidence (part of which is presented above), they moved on to remove the Iranian peoples article from wikipedia because it had become important in the discussion and was constantly referred to. The term Iranian people can be traced back to Biblical times, and appears, among other things, as early as 2500 years ago in writings of the Achamenid era. That this is a well-established academic term, well defined (not only in terms of language: As Richard Frye puts it: Iranians are defined by their culture and religion, not just languages. ), is out of the question according to the above and many other sources.
I also have to point out that this has nothing to do with pan-Iranism, of which I personally am an outspoken opponent.
Thank you for your time. Shervink 16:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)shervink
The AMG template
What do you intend for the completed template to be? If you want it to be static links to fansite home pages, then that's not appropriate, and I still feel the template should be removed. If you want it to be page-specific links from specific articles to individual pages on fan sites, then that's what Zero and I are discussing on Talk:Oh My Goddess! - please join in our discussion there. If you want it to be something else, please explain. - Brian Kendig 23:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
If you browsed the official website you will see that page names ae stuff like foo/skuld.foo. However I want to create the dynamic template once the official website character section is complete. I want to use a central dynamic template for that reason.
Since you are good with bots can you please subst the ==External Links== header to individual articles. the that way more links can be added while the standard (official site etc) also appear.
Same sites cover AMG material and currently its two links deep for any character.:)
I hope this makes some sense... -- Catchi? 23:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, you're covering some ground that Zero and I already discussed - let's take this to Talk:Oh My Goddess!. I'll post a comment there shortly to explain. - Brian Kendig 00:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Award from Dynamo_ace
The Surreal Barnstar
For making improvements to the Oh!My Goddess! external links template when it was about to be for the chop, I award you The Surreal Barnstar for that extraordnary touch. Dynamo_ace 17:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! -- Catchi? 20:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
March
More anti-Iranian attacks
Al-Khwarizmi this article is being reverted without any dispute actually discussed in the talk page, there is clear evidence that this guy was born in Persia at the time, and by many sources he is a Persian. Instead, Anti-Iranians and Pro-Islam and whatnot editors are trying to change this identity to 'Muslim', just because Arabs ruled Persia at the time, but he was infact not even a Muslim! his religion was Zoroastrianism, all these have been discussed in the talk page, instead of accepting or rejecting this, edit wars are taking place, on both this and other articles mentioned in User_talk:ManiF#Iranian_watchdog.. things are starting to get out of hand. I'd appreciate if you could keep an eye out or do something about it. --Kash 14:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I would like to invite you to view and comment on this mediation: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02 Persian people if this dispute is sorted out, we can finally get on with our lives! Thank you, it is greatly appreciated --Kash 15:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Batman
Hi Cool Cat, I saw you deleted the references to Kurds on Batman,_Turkey. I'm not very knowledgable on the subject, but according to the BBC Batman does have a predominantly Kurdish population. I think that should be mentioned somehow in the article.--Hippalus 16:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, I see. Ill do something about it. -- Catchi? 17:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Better, but still a bit strange as the previous sentence does tell us about a census... So I changed it again . what do you think?--Hippalus 17:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see. Much better, thanks. -- Catchi? 17:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Is this really ok? He tags articles at random with the category. See the category (although I recently removed turkish provinces) it is still over loaded with stuff not remotely relevant to kurdistan such as a restourant in germany. -- Catchi? 17:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
This is clearly unreasonable (although I couldn't find references to the restaurant). I don't know quite what we can do about this. The consensus clearly is to keep the category (if I remember correctly from the CfD), but we are still without a concrete definition of what it should include. Perhaps we could devise some kind of list on the talk page of appropriate entries? - FrancisTyers 18:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Let me input what I think about Kurdistan and how it should appear on wikipedia
Firstly Kurdistan (land of the kurds/lands kurds own) is a proposed country with undefined/changing borders and hence is inaproporate.
I would prefer a category someting like "Category:Kurdish inhabited regions".
I really feel if we are going to have a kurdistan category at all, its borders should have some official definition otherwise we will have more User:Muhamed cases.
There is a kurdistan in Iraq (it technicaly does not exist yet as the consitiution of iraq needs ratification)
There is a politicaly unrelated one in Iran.
These two should be treated in two diferent categories as they are two different entities.
This is just someones pov even if it is sourced, local governments have millitary and political control and do not recognise a kurdistan.
We had a {{Kurdistan}} and a similar template is {{France}}. I have recently moved it to {{Kurds}}. Kurdistan was treated like a country before I interfered.
We even have {{Kurdistan-stub}} (has the kurdish flag just like {{France-stub}}). Kurdistan is treated like a country yet again.
If kurdistan is a geo cultural region its articles should only talk about kurdish culture.
There is little to no mention of kurdish culture on current articles in the kurdistan serries.
Mostly articles only contain repeative information copy pasted from wikipedia articles regarding how much kurds are opressed. And articles mostly/only talk about how much kurds are opressed (weather they are opressed or not is not ours to decide)
Articles also contain information on unsuccesfull kurdish rebelions (and portrays these as nations).
So what do you think of my points? -- Catchi? 19:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Turkce Wikipedia
Tekrar merhaba Cool Cat, Turkce Wikipedia'da tr:Zazaca ve tr:Zazalar makaleleri edit edilememektedir. Buna bu konuda yardimci olabilir misin? Cunku anladigim kadari ile belli bir siyasi grup, Zazalar ile ilgili kaynak gostermeden kendi siyasal goruslerini yazmislar ve aciklama gostermeden makaleyi kilitlemisler. Zaten hic aciklama yapilmadan kilitlenmesi ve kaynak gosterilmeden yazi yazilmasi Wikipedia kurallarina aykiri. Saglicakla kal. --Daraheni 06:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Hic aciklama yapilmadan kilitlenmesi ve kaynak gosterilmeden yazi yazilmasi wikipedianin kulturune aykiri, ama bazen gerekli olabiliyor. Kotu niyetle kitlendigine inanmiyorum. Tr.wikipedia'nin kurrallarini tr.wikipedia belirler.
Sayfa kitlemek en.wikipedia'da vandalism veya revert war ile ugrasmak icin kullanilir. Tr.wikipedia nin kuralarini tam bilmiyorum ama buna benzer bir nedenden dolayi olabilir. Tr.wikipedia bu tur makalelere semiprotect gibi bir sey uygulasa daha iyi olabilir.
ok fair enough, i suppose its not really a big thing but i do prefer pgkbot providing just the differnce link because with the double link yours posts every time it can make my screen harder to follow simply because i may have to scroll back further. i also like pgkbots greylist although i realise we can switch that on without the need to turn everything on.
(i know it operates on chanel 2 but theres just no conversation there) Benon 23:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Errr... Thats a feature, one is the dif link one is the revert link. I have improved the blacklist/greylist function of my bot now although I havent applied the code (I want to test it for a change). I also like pgkbots greylist :P -- Catchi? 22:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Kurdistan category
What do you think of removing this category? Here—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kash (talk • contribs)
Today somehow Syrian Kurdistan was changed to a redirect..? Why not all of them? --Kash 23:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
My RfA
Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I'm delighted that the RfA succeeded with a final consensus of 52/17/7, and receiving comments including having 'excellent potential to become a great moderator', and I am now an administrator. It did however only just pass, and I shall do my very best to rectify any of my errors, including the general belief that I should do more article work. If you have any concerns, or if you ever feel that I may be able to help you, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Again, thank you!
Care to tag along on #wikipedia-en-vandalism on freenode?:) -- Catchi? 21:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah but I'm not registered yet. I'll register and then request queue. Thanks --a.n.o.n.y.mt 21:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
O_o; it takes 5 secs to register! We want good vandal fighters like you there. Besides we have a filtered RC feed as well. Its not just for the chat. -- Catchi? 21:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Do I just go onto the CVU request on Irc and register? --a.n.o.n.y.mt 21:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Register first. Join the request channel and the topic directs you to a wiki page. Vandals are watching now and may try to imposter you.:) -- Catchi? 22:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Got it. On there now. Thanks --a.n.o.n.y.mt 22:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you!
Just came across your comments regarding the deletion of "Genetic origins of the Kurds" and it's refreshing that someone else can also clearly see that this obsession with race and genetics is nothing but old school racism draped in scientific jargon. I thought I was the only one around here who was disturbed by this bizarre attitude. Humans are not animals, and yet this sick and narrow worldview that the Nazis and other genocidal maniacs subscribed to still persists in this day and age - only now it's acceptable since the scientific community is so accepting of it. These are the sort of people who love to discuss "mixing" and "interbreeding" on and on (again, treating humans as animals - and if they're non-European, all the better). But wait, didn't the Nazis rant and rave the very same way?
Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your comments and it's good to see another truly human being here on WP. SouthernComfort 07:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I am growing tired of this kind of edit behaviour and am considering arbitration. What do you think? I do not believe we (you/me/others) need to clean up this kind of mess as wikipedians should have the learning curve to at least attempt writing neutraly... -- Catchi? 04:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
The edits are annoying because of the copyvio element. But I'm not sure how many times they've done this in the past, I suppose if you could show a pattern of this kind of editing you'd have a case for an RfAr and I'd probably be neutral. It's kind of annoying possibly having your work removed because some guys not bothered to check copyright status! - FrancisTyers 09:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, many of the stubs they create are copy paste from other sites. These are bio stubs of supposivley notable people often whose only notability is being kurdish or so the site claims.
My other concern is pov editing. Portraying UK air force evil and comparing it to saddam husein is bad taste and is certainly not what we are trying to do here on wikipedia.
I am annoyed by their behaviour as an observer, you are dealing with it first hand... I admire your hard work to say the least.
I'll copyscape their contributions but since they are mostly bare stubs this will be tedious work... Least I can do for you.:) -- Catchi? 09:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Rather than an RfAr, it might be worth doing an RfC first - I'd certainly come in on your side then. Have you tried to talk to them about this (the copyvio issue) already? - FrancisTyers 14:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I personaly believe rfcs are pointless, but because yu ask I will do that. I have not talked to mohamed guy about copyright vilations because he doesnt know english, my communcations with him ended rather insultive (on his part). -- Catchi? 15:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat "What are you looking at?"
I've noticed the insertion of your faied rfa's recently. Are you okay..? I know you're dissapointed, but keep your head up. I'm sure things will turn around eventually. -ZeroTalk 16:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Heh, I asked jimbo what he thinks. I am going to pursue this, kinda. I'll determine if I should seek adminship based on jimbos comments. -- Catchi? 19:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I hope your appeal for your rfa preregisites goes through as well. I also would like to see you find the answers you are looking for, and always, I'm glad to have you as an fellow wikipedian. Please don't think lower of yourself just because you lack administrator status. You're still an excellent contributor and an valid part of the project. -ZeroTalk 20:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your assistance in the rationale that gotten rid of this stub cat.
I was wondering if you could assist me on several articles related to kurds. I'll summarise the general picture.
There are several rebelions portrayed as independent (and failed) nations. At least one of these "nations" lasted only 2 months... An example is kingdom of Kurdistan. There are lots of problematic edits such as this one:
Category:Kurdistan is being used to tag random provinces. Basicaly people are drawing the borders of kurdistan using categories. Also existing sub categories appear to be useless. Three of the five sub categories have virtualy a handfull (less than 5) articles
Articles like Turkish Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan are highly problematic. If you look at the articles youll see kurdistan is not treated like a geographic region or like a cultural region but for info regarding an independence movement and/or how much kurds are opressed and why they should have a nation of their own.
I have pov on the matter thats why I need objective input.
Hi Cool Cat - to be honest I probably don't know enough about the situation there to feel comfortable trying to sort those articles out - I'd probably go blundering in and treading on toes all over the place. It would definitely be worthwhile listing the problems on WP:AN - there are likely to be admins who know enough about Kurdistan that they'd be able to deal with the situation far better than I can. I just know that - like Macedonia - the nature of the name depends very much on who you are talking to. Grutness...wha? 23:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I understand, but as a sanity check I'd like to know what you think on the following points:
Macedonia is an existing country, kurdistan is not. The borders are determined by who you are talking to.
The parties in discussion say Kurdistan is just a geographic region (it is the only geographic region with an ethnicity present in its name I think). However articles talk about the regions economy, history, displays a flag, failed independence attempts... Topic is completely restricted to kurds.
I dont mind an article talking about kurds. We have Kurdish people for that. I am not certain whats approporate for Kurdistan. Take a look at the not so contraversial Scandinavia and compare it with Kurdistan.
Acording to people writing the article kurdistan is divided to 4 parts. I don't think they are explaining a geographic region.
Kurdish Autonomous Region is been turned into a state as Iraq is now a 3 state federal nation now. However this hasnt been ratified hence this is just a proposal
There was a defacto goverment in the region since the first gulf war
such a thing should have a seperate article as being an iraqi state, not as part of being kurdistan and not being restricted to kurds.
I'd definitely agree on the first part - Kurdistan and Macedonia are different from that viewpoint, although they do have similaritties in that Iraq has named an area as Kurdistan, yet many people claim that the "real" Kurdistan also overlaps into neighbouring countries, each of which are understandably not in favour of that situation. As far as the second point is concerned, there does seem to be a definite concatenation of talking about Kurdistan as a geographical entity and as a people (as such the only real comparison I can think of is Israel, but that opens another can of worms). I'm uneasy with the four articles you list in the last part - since these regional names do not exist (with the exception of the Iraqi state), I would question their worth as articles. I would have no objection, say, to Kurdish people in Turkey, but the title Turkish Kurdistan strikes me as POV. The Kurdistan article is the one which I really have too little expertise to comment on. As an ill-defined region, it seems to be a logical hing to talk about, and certainly the term Kurdistan is used frequently enough to warrant an article. But it easily creeps into greyer areas. Grutness...wha? 01:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank You
Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for your reasonable analysis, and hard work.Zmmz 17:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Pasha
A lot of Turkish-related articles' copyright, such as Politics of Turkey, Culture of Turkey and Communications in Turkey, are being challenged by a certain user. You may want to look into this, the articles could be deleted. --ManiF 17:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorted the mess, several sections were coppied (either from wikipeida or to wikipedia). ON one occasion (communications of turkey) the data was from cia world factbook, a PD source. This guy is getting on my nerves, I will sort him out soon. -- Catchi? 19:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
He's been reported here, you can add your comments if you wish. --ManiF 22:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
ANB cant do anything about it. I am collecting evidence at User:Cool Cat/RfC March 2006, feel free to assist. -- Catchi? 00:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I thought you might be interested in this.Endorse if you agree with the case. --ManiF 03:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
K*******n
Hello Cool Cat. It's really a nice user page you have here - hope I manage to leave my message without leaving a mess. I noticed that you are doing an effort to removed references to Kurdishness in articles about Southeastern Turkey. I must say I tend to disagree with you, but my purpose for writing you here is not to embark on a long debate where we probably both in forehand know the arguments of the other.
You seem to be a well-experienced and serious Wikipedian. So my question is whether there has been taken any compregensive decisions for Wikipedia policy on offically non-recognized minorities - as the Kurds in Turkey. There are so many articles related to the area of Turkey, that some, including myself, refer to as Kurdistan, that I believe a comprehensive policy should be developed. Has there been such discussions? If not, where is the place to raise such a discussion? I believe it will be better to discuss and reach some overall agreement instead of continous edit wars on articles such as Batman, Hakkari etc. Bertilvidet 20:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Firstly, I am not against "kurdishness". I also do not remove referances to kurdishness.
As you might know Kurdistan is a proposed country. Refering to Hakkari and Batman belonging to a proposed county is problematic and a breach of NPOV.
Refering to provinces in soultheastern Turkey as "Kurdistan" is something done often by Kurdish nationalists who seek an independent kurdistan. Which is fine for them but would not be ok on wikipedia.
Kurdistan literaly means "land of the kurds" or "lands owned by kurds" or "lands belonging to kurds" and is factualy inacurate as the place is owned by Turkey.
This is like refering to Canada being the 51st US state. While many people may agree (especialy up north in the US) this would be bad practice as Canada is an independent nation.
Non-recognized minorities are treated like recognised majorities. They have their own articles such as Kurdish people or Kurdish culture. Only independent states (Such as Turkey and France) and defacto states (partialy) (such as TaiwanKKTC) are treated like nations.
My primary concern is Kurdistan being treated as a country. Recently there has been a movement to portray a non existant Kurdish state and I work against this.
My second concern is copyrights. A lot of pages refering to kurds is coppied from the web breaching copyrights of numerous people.
I am just warning you that I am considering reopening the arbitration cases
Just to let you know that I will request a harder sanction for what you did. Fad(ix) 00:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the heads up. Feel free to as nothing is stoping you but I thought you were ignoring me.
What did I do by the way? I am rather busy writing my anti-vandal bot and we have a decent mess in korean wikipedia. Hence am making minimal wikipedia contribution.
Coolcat, you are hardly being convincing, I would have thought that you would try harder... I am giving you a last chance to come clean, I swear I will open an arbitration cases if you don't, and this time around the evidences won't manage you. Fad(ix) 01:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
??? You are confusing me.... -- Catchi? 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I have warned you, let the arbitrators decide then. Fad(ix) 02:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
At least inform me the nature of the dispute.... -- Catchi? 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Coolcat, you are so predictable, in a world where it isen't you, you would still have known it given that the dispute was just above your answer in my talk page and that the center of the dispute was around an article in which an alias appeared soon after you left. You have used this same innocent behavior in the past, but this time it won't work I am afraid, if I were you I would start documenting in the upcoming arbitration cases that I will submit in the upcoming days, to explain how come an innocent user who could barely write English(faking his English that is) would creat chronology tables by using your code paterns, coloring his tables exactly like you do, and the green crap on the right for cited ones, using the same expressions etc, and many other examples. Fad(ix) 02:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I do not pay attention to other peoples talk pages much unless I care about them. Tonikaku your attitude is quite annoying. For whatever the reason (I am not certain why) you are threatening me with arbitration.
Since you have predetermined what to do, nothing I say will matter. So go ahead with whatever you have in mind.
About my "coding patterns", I am among the people who make a decent contribution to a variery of topics on some occasions "my coding patterns" have shaped structure of pages interwiki. It is perfectly normal for you to frequently observe "my conding patterns". For example User:Jimbo Wales and some subpages contain "my coding paterns".
He has some issues beyond my edits. Personally, I do not have any desire to deal with him. I can easily work on another article. It is funny that he belives that he "owns" the article. He negates not on the information, but from his choice of words he takes it on an interestingly personal level. If he thinks you are on his side, all the edits o.k. or vice versa. I have added information that can be classified on both sides of the arguments. He began to flip out, when I moved from top of the page (agrees with his perspective) to bottom (disagrees his perspective). He even tried to (and did) change textbook information. Funny Guy.--Karabekir 22:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I personaly dont like his general conduct. He has crossed the fine line of sanity as far as I care. Please do not be discouraged by his conduct. Wikipedia:Ownership of articles is an official policy fadix will have to honor.
I have no idea whats going on the article all I know is someone (fadix) is threatening me out of the blue.
Coolcat, I pitty you for still trying to deny the obvious, I will be also trying to request a checkuser in Turkish wikipedia, I just hope for you that you tok the precautions to use an open proxy there too, I really hope for you. Fad(ix) 02:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... I do not see a constructive intent in this comment. Do you even know what an Open Proxy is? -- Catchi? 21:37, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Channels
I have been quite busy myself and have just now gotten a chance to log onto wikipedia. I am pretty clueless with this channel thing, which means maybe im not experienced enough to even lift this off the ground. Your thoughts?
To say the least he owes me an apology, but look what he is doing. I know I am not someone else and it should be pretty easy to prove it.
Anyways, my tables are used on many other language wikis as well as here on en. It is more popular than I care to check (Counter Vandalism Unit exists on German wiki for instance and this is small trivia I was told). His evidence is primarily based on karabekir as well as others using my tables.
I do not know if I should risk arbitration unnecesarily While I can build a strong case for his ownership of the article he is on as well as for incivility, I am not certain if it is worth to give people an excuse for people to oppose my rfas (no offense to anyone).
An evidence to his incivility would be on his userpage: I PLACED THE REST OF MY TEXT ON THE RIGHT SIDE LEAVING THE REST BLANK AS A PROTEST TO USERPAGES IDIOTIC AND NATIONALISTIC TEMPLATES THAT HAVE NO PLACE IN WIKIPEDIA.
He did revert my spelling corrections in the past with the edit summary "POV Pushing" or something along the line.
He has made very few edits to other articles aside from Armenian Genocide, and those were often sister or related articles.
Hi, I changed the licensing of the four images you cited to {{HistoricPhoto}}, a fair use claim which I believe is the most appropriate. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
The thing is we cannot annonymously claim fair use. I am fine with a fair use claim if given which archive or book these images are orriginaly from. If they have been coppied illegaly (take a look at Talk:Armenian_Genocide/Archive_7#Photographs to see what I mean) from archives or websites they must be deleted.
For example: www.armenian-genocide.org copyright notice suggests:
"COPYING-AND-PASTING" OF ANY MATERIALS POSTED ON ANI'S WEB SITE TO YOUR WEB SITE, INCLUDING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE MAPS, TEXTS, IMAGES, PHOTOS, DESIGNS, OR ANY PORTION OF ANY MAP, TEXTS, IMAGES, PHOTOS, DESIGNS, OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION CONSTITUTING ANY PART OF ANI'S WEB SITE, IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED (See Publishing below for further information).
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genetic origins of the Kurds
Hi Cool Cat, I appreciate your opinion on this article (and I appreciate that you're approaching me about it on my talk page), and to tell you the truth, I kind of agree with you about the article. However, the bar is set pretty high for consensus to delete an article, there needs to be roughly 80% consensus. This AfD has approximately 50% consensus to delete (give or take a few). As a vote closer, I have to say this is not enough of a consensus to delete the article. However, I applied a {{npov}} to the article to remove the POV from the article (ie, remove the racism). Since there's not enough consensus to delete the article, I suggest you try and work the article so it is more NPOV. If you have any other concerns, please let me know. --Deathphoenixʕ 17:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
bot
sorry, my chatzilla is corrupted. i think i can fix it due tomorrow, we can chat then tomorrow 19:00 at #wikipedia-de-vandalism.
greetz, de:User:HardDisk aka HardDisk_WP
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I'm "sort of around", I'm away on spring break [=)] with my laptop, but I'm without Photoshop and Illustrator [=(]. I think I can git-r-done when I get back home Sunday.— TheKMantalk 22:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
OK Coolcat, lets say I am trying to assume good faith
Are you claiming that all those layouts that I was reffering to and that you have created are now widely used here in Wikipedia, not only in English Wikipedia but even Turkish? Is that what you are claiming? Fad(ix) 23:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Thats exactly whats happening, you may also see my code on de.wiki ja.wiki, fr.wiki. You might be using a modified version of one of my designs on your userpage, who knows. Thats the beulty of contributing to a range of topics and templates
For instance try this: Check the history of English template (mind the date being sep 10 2005) and Turkish template (mind that its created by tr:User:Oytun Yalçın 25 february 2006). You will see that the English template was created long before the Turkish one. However I have modified the english one as well as turkish one recently so as to make the code more readable.
I also applied a similar code to {{Oh My Goddess}}, a japanese anime unrelated to Turkish Military. This may be coppied to Ja wiki over a matter of few months. This does not mean I have japanese socks but rather people like what I created.
The template design isn't uneque to me. See {{NATO}} for an example of a much more complicated template with a similar code.
Thanks for your reply, now, this is my last question and I will not be bothering asking it again and will leave you alone with it. Are you Nafiz who contribute in Turkish Wikipedia? Fad(ix) 03:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Coolcat, it was my last question... it confirms what I thought. Nafiz wrote one of those layouts in October 2004, 4 months before you were even registered in English Wikipedia, in one of the other Turkish articles(which I can show you if you want), he programmed and tested the other layout and did not copied it directly. So either he invented them, either you invented them and you are him. Coolcat in Turkish Wikipedia never contributed in articles relating to the Kurds and Armenians while Nafiz contribute in the exact same articles. Then again, like I said, I won't ask you any further questions, those last points I wanted to make clear and wanted further answers. Regards. Fad(ix) 02:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
You are listed at a participant of WikiProject Anime and manga. A recent change in how participants are listed — using a category — will result in your inadvertent removal from the project. If you wish to continue your participantion, please check the the project page for details on how to add yourself back to the project. --TheFarix 00:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Why are participants threatened? Can't we focus on writing anime articles rather than forcing a structure on participants' userpage?
Also, what category? I dont see such a category on my userpage...
There was some complaining about maintaining the participant list and if there was a way to automate it. I suggested using a category and before I knew it someone created and changed the userbox to include the new category. I would have preferred more discussion fist, but since the category has been it's been created, I'm just following through. The category listing participants is Category:WikiProject Anime and manga participants.
No one has any intention of kicking anyone else out of the project. However, not everybody uses the userbox on their userpage. So I thought it best to notify those individuals about the changes and how to add themselves back to the list. I figured that was better then editing their userpage, which may not go over well with them. --TheFarix (Talk) 12:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see. Why didnt you say that in the first place:) I am still in the game then ^_^' -- Catchi? 20:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with Image:Tosbar1.png
Thanks for uploading Image:Tosbar1.png. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).
The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.
Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator.
You should have been caught by the adminlist feature, I've manually added you in for now until I can figure out whats going on. -- Tawker 22:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Heh, I am no admin. :P -- Catchi? 22:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Archive
You may want to model my archive style as your talk page seems to be very active.:) -- Catchi? 22:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, that might be a good idea, 5 archives in 2 months, its nuts:) -- Tawker 22:37, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Very well. See User talk:Cool Cat/Archive
My archives are sorted by month. All posts on march are stored on one page. I do not add all posts at once, but I add gradualy.
Notice the + next to archive link on top of my userpage. By clicking that I add to my archive.
The structure may look a bit complicated but it is really simple to use. I can import that structure here if you like. You would have two archives instead of 5 for two months. They would not directly apear on your talk page so as not to clutter. (over time some people have a page of archives listed on their talk page)
I redid my archive system similar but not a copyvio of yours:) - its a lot cleaner now, one per month so 12 a year. So much cleaner -- Tawker 07:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I have asked you to steal my style if you like. No copyright infrigments are involved. :P -- Catchi? 11:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Your bandwidth costs
Just out of curiosity what were your bandwidth costs monthly to run the bot, I've had a grand total of under 100MB used by anything Wikipedia related including my anti vandal bot and my two IRC bots, keeping the bot up has been basically one cron process that does it for me, I would have thought writing the bot takes more work. Feel free to ignore this if you want but you have me curious, how bad is bandwidth in your area! -- Tawker 02:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I'll gladly answer. I used to have a 256Kbits/sec line, I had to upgrade to 512Kbits/sec in order to have my bot run efficently as my bot used to disconnect because of the lack of bandwith. I am currently paying 87.83YTL a month . The current exchange rate is 1$ ~ 1.347YTL (Local curency) . Hence I pay roughly $65.21/month.
The bot I wrote had numerous bugs, I eventualy perfected it to its current form. For example a MSSQL server will use roughly 28 megs of ram just for the database (600+ lines) no matter how simple it is, God knows how much more for MySQL. My bots entier memory usage is 17megs. It takes constant effort to code such a thing. The original bot was no more than 10-20 lines. Its currently a 1000 line mirc script which if you ask anyone is a decent amout of code for mirc. The bot is also highly modular its not static 1000 lines.
It takes constant fixing to satisfy the needs of the masses. My bot does not just run on en. People often complain about simple stuff such as a missing colon. Or they ask for a new function. Fr.wikipedians asked for the tiny page function.
Also rarely the bot fails to ping timeout. I am not certain why this happens but I blame my pathetic ISP
Wow, thats a fair bit bigger than I thought it was. Bandwidth sure is a bit of a rip off, I pay $70 for a 10mbit fiber feed here. How many wiki's are you running bot services for! As for the bot pinging out, I'm doing it too and this is direct to a tier 1 backbone so I think its an network core issue. -- Tawker 04:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Yea but it takes my bot several hours to realise its not connected. Well it used to happen. My bot runs for 14 wikis, I intend to make it more. One thing I hate about the country I am in is the bandwidth and its costs... I kinda miss my 10mb line at MSU. -- Catchi? 11:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Image Tagging Image:Pkk.gif
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Thanks for uploading Image:Pkk.gif. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.
If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL-self}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stan 04:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
No one knows who created the PKK's flag and/or logo. If any copyrighting exist at all (as organisation is "terrorist" and hence " illegal hence cant even press charges), PKK should own them. So I sourced and tagged image accordingly.
May I ask if you could shorten the warning mesage, I and many others know the procedure, really.
The theory is that each user should only ever see the message once; as it says, "If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too.". After all, every image whose description you don't fix up is more work that you're making for other people. Stan 17:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but in reality I do not have a way to keep track of all images I uploaded. I wasn't in the know of the image tagging on my earlier days on wiki. You know how it goes...
If you have the time, can you please review every image I uploaded (as you are perhaps using a bot) and find the images I forgot to tag. There shouldn't be many.
As the next sentence in the message's paragraph says, "You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box." In any case, I'm not going to bother posting any more notices to you, you've had plenty of warning now. And no, I'm not using a bot, I'm sinking hundreds of hours doing this manually - but Gmaxwell's slash-and-burn bots are looking better all the time, it would be a lot less work just to summarily delete all the incorrectly-handled images. Stan 03:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Tawkerbot2 and Whitelist
The whitelist currently employed by the CVU is now implemented in Tawkerbot2. If you're on that whitelist, then you shouldn't have any problems.:) joshbuddytalk 06:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I obviously am not. I know a whitelist existed in the original code because I wrote it. Anyways I am discussing with Tawker. -- Catchi? 11:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Tawkerbot2 is an original creation. You didn't write it. It is not an IRC bot per se, but rather a vandalism detector. The IRC component (which I assume you had something to do with it) merely communicated with Tawkerbot2. joshbuddytalk 16:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
The bot relies on the IRC component to operate which I wrote. Without the irc component it wouldnt work at all. If I recall correctly tawkerbot on irc is a modified version of pgkbot which is a modified version of my code. Why the heck are you answering for Tawker, the person who modified the code? -- Catchi? 16:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Rfar
Its not going to occur. Please review the process taken by Fadix and yourself. None of the qualms appealed have indicated an attempt at dispute resolution, and therefore, this rfar will be rejected. I've removed the bogus link. Please don't put it back. -ZeroTalk 20:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
You have no idea how many times I atemted to discuss thnsg with him. Please do not dictate my talk page. -- Catchi? 20:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I was aware of lots of loose talk on WP:AN/I and I looked through your "discussion" extensively in diffs. Such accusations are not the way to resolve disputes. Do you want this rfar to happen..? -ZeroTalk 11:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
What is the policy for {{Star Trek character}} in regards to rank? Some characters are promoted/demoted during the course of a series; is the most recent rank or highest rank listed? I think most recent probably makes the most sense. I was just wondering after seeing the articles on Miles O'Brien, Tom Paris, and Tuvok. —Ilyanep(Talk) 01:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
BTW, Wikimood -10?! Don't be stressed:( —Ilyanep(Talk) 01:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, Care to help? I am overwriting Template:ST character with Template:Star Trek character. I am displaying the most recent rank as in the latest rank the person appeared with or is cited to carry the rank (Hoshi Sato's rank is exceptionaly problematic).
I am extremely unhappy and think will stay that way until I regain control of #wikipedia-en-vandalism and make my bot to function again without interuptions or risk of interuptions due to "channel policy". Staring at the second monitor is enough to infuriate me.
Since you are already working with me on the transformation of Template:ST character -> Template:Star Trek character I was wondering if you could help me with these: -- Catchi? 19:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
As before, I'm glad to help; I'm on a wikibreak of sorts so I promise nothing ... and I still have to peruse the remaining rank articles! ;)
My current efforts have focused on adding and copyediting details for recently converted articles (e.g. lower case; upper case for proper nouns only) and ranks for various characters: I believe it important that the infobox not merely exhibit their most recent rank, but other major ones depicted on screen (see Geordi La Forge for example) which visitors may be familiar with. This won't be an issue for some characters (e.g., Data, Picard).
As well, I tweaked the template earlier to account for postings. I'm including only those postings depicted on-screen ... take a glance at Riker (without prior postings). Perhaps we can reduce the font size within the infobox/template (80%) so that it will accommodate for all the detail more efficiently? Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 19:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Showing all ranks may be problematic with characters that promoted from ensign to captain or even admiral. Just talking about their promotions should be fine since we have an article that shows promotions: List of Starfleet officers. (article needs some work for insignia)
One problematic rank is of the rank of Hoshi Sato. She left starfleet with the rank Lutenant Commander though we do not have a verifiable insignia for that.
Great. I don't think including multiple (major) ranks will be problematic: reducing the font size a wee-bit (even to 75%) will help. I guess I have difficulties in including only one rank when, amidst incessant reruns, the various characters spent significant chunks of time at other grades ... save Harry Kim.:)
By the way, I think the List of Starfleet officers – or another – should be organised by officer (renamed List of Starfleet officers by rank?), not by rank.;) E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 20:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I just feel showing ranks like that is excessive as every character started out as ensign up to the last rank...
Thanks for the resizing. Remember: I'm not advocating for including every rank, only those portrayed on-screen and within the usual timeframe of the appropriate production (i.e., excluding flashbacks, alternate stuff, and one-offs). I mean, everyone of the TNG main officers started out (presumably) as Ensigns, but I'm only listing the ranks portrayed by characters during and after that run and seen. That's why some may be simple, but some like La Forge will have more entries. Make sense? E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 20:51, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I still think its excesive but I dont really have a reason to object. However, how about displaying what you want on the article I just cited (List of Starfleet officers)? Or how about both? -- Catchi? 21:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again; is there any way to reduce the font (to equal sixe) of the left column text? In any event, I think we'll be OK. The most cumbersome ones to date have actually been either La Forge (#) or Worf (who also served on a Klingon vessel during the course of the Klingon Civil War) ... and these look OK, right? If it's unworkable, I'll defer and restore to the 'current' rank.
As for specifics regarding the other list of officers, I'll provide additional details soon. I was thinking about an alphabetical (surname) listing/table with rank changes/episodes and postings to boot. Make sense? I'll work on something ... but can't just yet. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... Individual characters already have that. I want List of Starfleet officers to display the rank insignias and perhaps episodes and postings etc... Seems like you'll have your hands full with that.:)
I am more concerned with movie ranks for TOS chars.
I'm unsure what the first statement means: some articles have that information, but some do not (at least clearly). Also (a minor point), some pix indicate(d) one rank, while their 'current' rank is another.
I don't think the TOS ranks will be any more problematic than TNG – Spock for instance: Lt. Cmdr., Cmdr., Capt., Ambassador (Admiral unseen, if at all) ... Ent, Ent-A, Romulus (unauthorised)
I know I'll have my hands full, that's why I can't get to it just yet!:) I'll start off with TNG main officer ranks (based on the other list) and work from there. And from then, perhaps, I'll nix the extra ranks in the infobox. In any event, thanks for your work and help. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh Like Uhura having two types of insignias which would take a decent amount of space. Current rank is generaly set by movies. After all almost the entier crew dies in an average movie :P
Actually, Uhura might be fairly easy (ahem?): throughout her tenure, she was depicted/noted as a Lt., Lt. Cmdr., and Cmdr. Even if the first is ambiguous, Lt. can be a general catch-all (in absence of anything authoritative). E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:50, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi again! Take a peek at the new (and burgeoning) List of Starfleet officers. The formatting isn't perfect and requires work (e.g., I want to consolidate like information in discrete table cells), but I'm starting to go blind. However, you get the idea. Thoughts?
Also in retrospect, I may also consider and defer to your desire to include only one rank in the infobox/template (so as not to overload the infobox, but not just yet, OK?); however, should we exhibit the officer's last rank and or the one during which they had the most on-screen time as and likely is more memorable to visitors (e.g., Cmdr. Riker or Capt. Riker?) Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I do not mind either way. I am just debating if it is really worth it. It wouldnt overload the infobox as long as it doesnt break it.:)
List of Starfleet officers will need new rows. I am considering a row for "rank insignia" and a row for "episode of promotion"
Great. Rows or columns?:) I think the latter. Perhaps "Episode of promotion" should be "Notes" instead? I'm still disatisfied with the table format/appearance (I've another one in mind, but must part soon) ... I wanted to exhibit something for your review. Merci! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Reverted page move
I have reverted your page move of Kira Nerys to Nerys Kira. Please explain on the article's talk page why you feel this is necessary and attempt to get some consensus before moving this page again. Thanks. 23skidoo 02:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me all names on wikipedia follow the western order, in other words First name (given name) then Last name. I explained myself adequately in move summary. What more is there that needs to be explained? -- Catchi? 10:17, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Let's all take it easy.:) I appreciate efforts to render Kira's name correctly, CC; however, I believe the rendition "Kira Nerys" prevails: for example, the opening credits for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and her bio at the Star Trek website bill her that way. Reversing the order may appear slightly odd to a new visitor, and not just to Nana Visitor.:) E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah an japanese names are always the other way around but we have them in right order here on wikipedia. See Kikuko Inoue for example. -- Catchi? 10:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's disagreeable to skidoo23 and likely others for legitimate reasons. Perhaps we should put this to a vote on that talk page and/or propose it at WP:RM? That will validate either perspective. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Why do we need to vote on everything. I clearly know when adressed by her full name she is always adressed as "Kira Nerys". All japanese names follow the same pattern but in practice japanese names are given in western order in order to evade confusion. An ignorant visitor would think that Nerys' given name is "Kira" which is not true. Only intimate people dare to call her by her first name Nerys. Thats exactly how it is in japanese culture. -- Catchi? 10:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
While informative, we're not talking about Japanese names here. The Bajoran name dichotomy is nothing that an effecive article lead cannot rectify. Basically, the move flies in the face of the common naming convention and is disagreeable. And, amidst contention, a vote will only validate your position which – while I empathise with – I don't necessarily agree with in this instance and suspect most others will not either. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 11:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Why do I care... Do as you like. Meanwhile Ill be working on List of Starfleet officers by rank you may want to take a look and tell me what you think. -- Catchi? 11:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Uh, thanks. The list is coming along. Similarly, can you take a peek at the other list, which I've rounded out with the regular TNG case, and let me know what you think? Thanks again. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 12:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. I've reformatted the table to more clearly delineate relevant data points; thus, it should now be easier to follow. Thoughts? Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 14:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
E. Pluribus Anthony pretty well sums up my objections and the objections of others so there's no need for me to parrot him, while CBurnett also states a further case on the Kira Nerys talk page. Cheers. 23skidoo 15:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Still I think the right otder is Nerys Kira regardless after all thats how we got all japanese names on wikipedia. All of them folow this pattern. I am not the kind that jolts through the universe enforcing guidelines so I want you guys to agree with this. Her name is not Kira, her name is Nerys. Now her last name is Kira. Why do not we follow the pattern?
All japanese websites refer to anyone japanese with lastname then first name. In japanese culture people are generaly referanced by their last name if fact it would be disrespectfull to call someone by the first name unless one is intimite. Why does this matter, well, we have something similar in Bajoran culture apperantly. Many on screen referances explain us her given name is Nerys so Why cant we follow first namelast name format? -- Catchi? 18:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
According to the Star Trek WikiProject main page, we follow strict rules of canon. Find one canonical reference that indicates that Kira Nerys was ever referred to as Nerys Kira (or Laren Ro, or Ital Odo for that matter) and we'll look at it. You won't find one. I in fact refer you to the TNG episode "Ensign Ro" in which it is clearly stated in canonical dialogue that it is incorrect to use the traditional "western" form of names. 23skidoo 20:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
You see wikipedia is not yet run by the federation and Bajorans can file a complaint to the Jimbo and let him consider.:) The thing is this has nothing to do with cannon but more about how wikipedia names always appear. We are folowing cannon, I am not giving him a third name or modifying spelling etc.. It is how the names apear on wikipedia, same goes for all Japanese names. No Japanese is ever called by the First name and then Last name (ever) by the Japanese. I am using the Japanese as an excelent example of western dominance in naming on En.wikipedia. -- Catchi? 20:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
But the Japanese articles are generally not fictional names. If you go and change "Kira Nerys" to "Nerys Kira" when there is not one single officially licensed TV episode, book, comic book, reference work, website, or anything else that uses this spelling, a few things will happen. First, it will be endlessly reverted because someone will see it (correctly IMO) as an error. Second, it will create many redirects and under the MOS we're supposed to avoid redirects whenever possible. That means a ton of piping will be necessary; and if you go around changing all the word orders in all the articles you'll end up with the same situation as I mentioned in my first point -- someone will just fix them all. One of the purposes of the Star Trek WikiProject is to set rules and guidelines for handling articles based on this fictional universe; one reason why it was established is because of a growing movement to remove all pop culture and/or fiction-related articles from Wikipedia (referring here to individual episode articles, articles on characters, concepts, etc.) Similar Wikiprojects exist for Wizard of Oz, Doctor Who, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, etc. And in the case of Star Trek it is considered correct to use the name Kira Nerys. If you want to try and find a consensus to change it at the WikiProject, feel free and good luck. 23skidoo 20:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Why are you wishing me luck? -- Catchi? 21:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Mr. Flint
Cool Cat,
Thanks for fixing the flint bio box. I have reverted to the previous until we can resize the image. I like your changes but the Image is too large. I have tried unsuccessfully. Is there a way of doing this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks FrankWilliams 00:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Just use the Size parameter. Example: |Size = 200px
I'll do this one for you, but in the future please ask before taking action. I am here only to help.:)
Thanks. I added back the original info. It looks much better now.FrankWilliams 01:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Interesting?
, what do you think? --Kash 16:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Speedy deletions of images
Hi there, I notice you tagged a number of images for speedy deletion with the reason "Now useless". However, "Now useless" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I am -- Catchi? 14:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)removing the speedy deletion tags.
If you feel the images are redundant copies, in the same image file format and same or lower resolution, of something else on Wikipedia, please tag them with {{Isd|name of other image without Image: prefix}}. If you feel that the images are not useful on Wikipedia, please list them on WP:IFD. Possible reasons for this would be that the images are unencyclopedic or orphaned. Thanks! Stifle 01:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I dont have time. Notice they are orphans and I uploaded tens of better coppies. They can waiste wikipedias hardrives for all I care. I have cleaned up the images and uploaded them to commons or uploaded better coppies. Never the less its all beter now and those images will not ever be used. -- Catchi? 01:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I suggest you delete the images. -- Catchi? 01:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any valid reason to unless I can see what image on Wikipedia (not Commons) that they are redundant to. Stifle 01:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
You are hesitating to delete unused images.... commons:Starfleet ranks and insignia shows all starfleet rank insignias on commons, some are red (as they are unfree images at the moment). I speedied tens of images I moved. I do not have the time to tag them one by one. Also take a look at Starfleet ranks and insignia. -- Catchi? 01:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
"Unused" is not a criterion for speedy deletion. Nor is "now on commons". Please read WP:CSD. Thanks. Stifle 01:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
See this diff for the old image for deletion and replacement image. This is the best I can do. -- Catchi? 01:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
If you are just going to chant policy like that you should definately not be processing speedies. The point of spedies is to evade redundent burocracy which you seem to request me to get indulge with. -- Catchi? 01:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure that you understand the speedy deletion process. The point of speedy deletions is to avoid putting articles or images through time-consuming process when there is already a consensus that this category of content should be deleted, for example articles about bands that don't assert the band's notability. There is no consensus that images which are useless should be speedily deleted, unless they fulfill some other, more strict, criterion for speedy deletion. Examples include images uploaded under a fair use claim which are not used in any article and so tagged for seven days. Public domain or free license images do not qualify unless they are redundant to a higher- or equal-quality image of the same thing in the same format elsewhere on Wikipedia, and that image is specified. For example, the following cannot be speedily deleted:
Images that have now been uploaded on Commons
Images that have been reuploaded under a different license (unless the original image was fair use and the new one has a free license)
Images that have been reuploaded under a different format
They can, however, be deleted by just listing them on WP:IFD. Stifle 13:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, scratch that. Given the diff that you specified, I can now proceed to verify the redundancy and speedily delete the old images. Thanks for your help. Stifle 13:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Oops, the replacement images are on Commons, so unfortunately this doesn't apply. You're free to use WP:IFD or mark the pages as {{NowCommons}} as I have done here. Sorry. Stifle 13:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
My bad I should have explained better. Sorry for the additional stress.
I uploaded the images to commons (I did not have to)
I renamed every referance to the en copy of the commons image (I did not have to)
I also speedie tagged images now wont be ever used (again I did not have to)
The images on commons are all pngs. Some en images were jpegs which I cleaned up and added transparancy.
Images had a pd license and still has a pd license.
The images are as redundent as it gets. They are orphaned with no hope of usage as a better copy exists in commons.
In the best interest of wikipedia servers the images should be deleted.
Look at the sources he has cited for his bann of the Kurdish flag in Iran. They are random webpages. They have nothing to do with the topic. I have made warnings onthe topic. 69.196.139.250 02:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Formatting a userbox
Hi Cool Cat - commendations on your suavely formatted user page. Thanks for the code I stole.
Thank you, you may find the template I used on that page most interesting. -- Catchi? 18:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
ArbCom Case
Hi, I included a diff to your Rfc in an ongoing ArbCom case that we unfortunately had to file against Aucaman; so just be aware of that please.Zmmz 22:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. -- Catchi? 22:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
22 March is quite late for celebrating the new year.:) -- Catchi? 13:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Or how about replying: "Thank you for the friendly message despite previous conflicts. I wish you a happy Nevruz"? Bertilvidet 13:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't celebrate that holiday. Also I was never at conflict. -- Catchi? 13:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Your RfC
Hi CoolCat, I just saw that RfC page you put up for Aucaman et al. This doesn't really look like a formally valid user-conduct RfC. Could you please check the formal rules again and reformat accordingly, so that it will actually be useful in attracting people to comment? I'd suggest you shouldn't advertise it in the meantime. Thanks! Lukas(T.|@) 14:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... so rfc structure has changed over all this time. I'll take a look and fix it.
I make it a personal policy not to advertise to parties. The only people I notified are the ones already involved with the case.
I see you notified Zmmz and somebody else, but not even the parties actually criticized, i.e. Aucaman et al.? That, IIRC, is one of the most basic requirements and has to be documented in the RfC before it can be counted valid. - By the way, you may wonder why I've become active so quickly in this, but I've been acting as a kind of semi-advocate in Aucaman's other affairs lately. Lukas(T.|@) 14:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.. I see. I'll advertise to them as well. -- Catchi? 14:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Anything else I should do? Feel free to assist.:) -- Catchi? 14:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, sorry, no offense, but ... rather than assisting, I'm probably going to shoot it down. Honestly, I don't think the RfC in this form is going to go anywhere. Give me half an hour, I'll add a note explaining why I think it won't work, and suggest you drop it for the moment and try in a different form. Lukas(T.|@) 15:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Are you suggesting personal attacks and pov pushing are acceptable? I depleted every method avalible to me. I ask for asitance on the noticeboard I asked people on IRC. I let them be for months in hopes someone would interfere. I was going to directly jump to arbitration but Francis requested I go for RfC first.
Shooting an rfc I filed for obviously problematic behaviour is puzzling behaviour after making me work so much. I am currently confused as well as frustrated by your statement.
Sorry, wait till you see my reasons. This is not about their behaviour not being problematic, but there are formal problems which I think can't be healed within the present process. Lukas(T.|@) 15:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, here I am again. Well, sorry, as you've seen, I did it. As for how to proceed further, I'd say you leave Aucaman alone; he's now at Arbcom anyway and your case seems at least to heavily overlap with that one. You could of course still submit evidence there. Muhamed, if he's really as extreme as you paint him, should simply be blockable by admin decision alone (repeated, persistent personal attacks are blockable, I think.) As for Diyako and Heja, I can imagine that an RfC might be a good idea; I don't know them well, but what I saw of Diyako during the Newroz/Norouz comedy was highly problematic. Lukas(T.|@) 16:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I am not annoyed. I just hate to see Anti Air flying around;). I can take your advice and leave Aucaman out. (simple enough). However I have repetively plead for assitance for Muhamed and no one interfered (even filed an ANB). So unless there is a fast way to get rid of him an RfC is the only option. -- Catchi? 16:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I have no problem with that. I'd just recommend that a single RfC should be about a single, well-defined set of incidents. Maybe you could split it up. Lukas(T.|@) 16:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Sure but as you may recall gathering evidence is a painful process. I didnt cite too many as practialy almost any diff they have can be used as evidence. Hence I invite you againto assist. I do not mind if you break the RfC into 3. I just dont want to veture into this all alone. -- Catchi? 16:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Just a note: I wonder why you are still so upset about that restaurant incident? That was entirely reasonable; the article wasn't really about the restaurant as such, but about a political event that took place there, and which happened to involve some prominent Kurdish politicians. (see Mykonos restaurant assassinations). It was moved, but still has got that category. Lukas(T.|@) 16:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I wasnt upset. The article was originaly talking about a non notable restourant. All that was relavant was "supposively" two kurds were murdered there. So it was an easy delete as it was pointless. During the Afd Article was renamed and expanded to explain historic event rather than the restourant. The expansion was indirectly my doing.
I was upset that article to be tagged with the Kurdistan category. As you might know Kurdistan is a contraversial region of a proposed kurdish country with borders determined by whoever is drawing. Berlin is not even in the middle east hence no where near Kurdistan unless borders reach to berlin germany.
Yeah, but at the time Muhamed cat'ed it, it was clear enough what the article was intended to be about. It was a poorly written article, to be sure, but that wasn't his fault, its relevance to the "Kurdistan" category was obvious to anybody familiar with the subject. So, I really don't see how you would class his edit as disruptive or anything. At the most, you might argue that "Kurdish history" or somesuch would have been a better choice than "Kurdistan", but that's still just a minor, perfectly AGF-able mistake of judgment, not disruption. Lukas(T.|@) 17:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Think it this way, this is like tagging Kennedy Assasination with Category:Asia. Kurdistan supposed to be a proposed country or region and is contraversial. The user tags random provinces in turkey, iran, Syria, Turkey with kurdistan category as well as a restourant in Berlin germany. If I tag Paris as a part of greater germany I would be blocked for breaching WP:POINT, I dont see why this user is allowed to do what he is doing. because of him and people like him the categories related to kurds are imposible to navigate as you are likely to find categories and subcategories with a handful articles.
Check his past contribution: . And/or just review the edit summaries: .
"Random provinces"? - Could there be a tiny little chance that they were not random but had one little unimportant thing in common - that of being considered part of Kurdistan by some?;-) I mean, you might not like to consider them part of Kurdistan, but some people clearly do. I'm ready to agree that some of his activity is problematic, but the wish of having a category "Kurdistan" covering these things is certainly not prima facia illegitimate, and I don't think you'll gain much support RfC'ing with that argument. Lukas(T.|@) 17:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Look. This person only tags random articles (doesnt have to be provinces and on occasions the word kurd is not even mentioned in the article) with category Kurdistan with an edit summary talking about removing bosmongol propoganda by adding the category. That is all he does aside from trolling my rfa and voting on afds etc. There is nothing else I can cite because thats everything he has done.
We do not tag France under category Germany just because some neo-nazis consider it as a part of greater germany. Nor do we tag Canada as a US state even though many people consider that (no offense to anyone, just an analogy). So why is it that Kurdistan is treated any diferently? You do see my point I suppose.
(Heavens, how many colons are these?:-) - I guess we'd better leave it at an agree-to-disagree about the Kurdistan bit for now - but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be willing to support other aspects of your RfC. Take care, Lukas(T.|@) 17:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Selam
Türk karşıtı Khoikhoi admin oluyor,tanıdığın bütün türklere haber verirsen engelleyebiliriz
burdan oy verebilirsin (Metb82 13:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC))
As you requested I have filed an RfC and not an RfAr. -- Catchi? 13:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey man, do you want me to join as have tried to resolve this dispute? Because if you lump together all four I'm not sure If I can do that, I can only provide an outside view that agrees with most of it - I really have no experience of dealing with Aucaman. I'm not really sure of the benefit of lumping Muhamed in with Diyako and Heja either... I mean his case is clearcut. He really needs to be permbanned and thats that. Let me know how you think it is best to proceed. - FrancisTyers 15:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey there
I do not know much about Aucaman. I am primarily bugged by his creation of articles such as Turkish Kurdistan. I also observed his less than admirable tone as I watch practicaly every article related to kurds. Maybe an RFC against him isn't necesary since there is an RfAr... but too late for that now.
Muhamed is also a clear cut. Someone who can't understand english should not be making edits here aside from interwiki links.
Tagging random articles (such as a restoruant in Berlin, Geramany) with a contraversial category Kurdistan or voting on afds etc without undertsanding the rationale (due to language barrier).
A dispute resolution would require heavy use of translation as user does not know english (or any language at a native level).
I frankly think he should stick to german wikipedia, just like how I don't contribute to russian wikipedia. So I don't think a dispute resolution for him is possible.
The other two parties (Diyako and Heja) frequently make contraversial/biased edits. They are no longer newbies and they do not show any evidence of a learning curve or improvement. You had to recently clean up thier mess on Kingdom of Kurdistan for example as comparing the british gov and saddam is bad taste (in my view at least).
I did not file the RfC to get people perm banned though. I hope to gather comunity support against their behaviour which may or may not result with bans. I am not sure what can you do to resolve the dispute. Diyako's recent behaviour on the Newruz (or whatever the holiday is called) article is quite problematic. I provided for some diffs to that end on the rfc page.
For me all 4 people cause simmilar problems on articles related to Kurds.
I understand no Turkish and I do not come from Turkey.
I come from the northIraq and I speak Arab and Kurdish.
Siktir Lan I learned of your Turkish friends. Muhamed
I don't have any turkish friends that know you, I assure you. -- Catchi? 09:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Misc comment #2
It would be greatly appreciated if you participated and left a comment there as you have at least had experience with some of the people involved there. Some users unfortunately (like Lukas) are trying to turn this into an indictment of sorts against nearly all Iranian editors. Much obliged.--Zereshk 05:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
WikiProject Turkey
Merhaba WikiProject Turkey isminde bir proje önerisinde bulundum. Öneri olarak en az 5-10 kişi varsa projeye başlamanın daha uygun olacağı söyleniyor. Türkiye ile ilgilenen her kullanıcıya bu mesajı yolluyorum. Gözümden kaçan bu proje ile ilgilenebilecek aktif kullanıcı olursa sizde bildirin. Geçici proje sayfası bu User:Ugur Basak/WikiProject Turkey, bu sayfayada ilgilenmek isterseniz adınızı ekleyebilirsiniz. Wikipedia:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Turkey --Ugur Basak 14:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the fact is it hasnt even been one week since I recreated those articles. You went ahead for mass deletion without even discussing it. Frankly I find that rude. -- Catchi? 22:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
There was a previous AfD that mandated returning many of the ship class articles back into the list. You should have checked the history before recreating.Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hokule'a class starship covers that class plus a number of others. Frankly, disregarding previous AfD's is what I find rude.-Mask 22:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Interesting point. I will remeber this incident and I can assure you the memories are not pleasant. I see this as a continunation of the censor of fiction and pop culture on wikipedia. -- Catchi? 02:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Mentor
Are you willing to reactivate as an active mentor for user:JarlaxleArtemis? Linuxbeak has indicated he is too busy with other matters. I also left a note for User:JSpudeman the other designated mentor. JarlaxleArtemis has been causing problems, and has been extremely sluggish about completing his requirements. Without an active mentor he will have to be blocked. -Will Beback 23:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I guess I can although he really didn't need any supervision when I was active. -- Catchi? 02:35, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
No offense, but JA needed more supervision than he received, IMO. He may have been on his good behavior initially but it didn't last. Starting back in December he blew off the unbanning requirements, in particular apologizing to those he'd attacked and undoing the damage he'd caused, but no one followed up and he simply deleted the notice from his talk page. He's reverted to the behaviors which led his two ArbCom cases: ignoring policies and guidelines, edit warring to defy MOS, misusing image tags, and being uncivil towards other editors. He would've been on a one-year ArbCom ban if his vicious and widespread attacks hadn't gotten him banned "permanently". He came back because Linuxbeak is such a nice guy, and because he promised to do a number of things. JA is still on parole and is now violating it. He lied outright on his user page this week, asserting that he never created doppelganger accounts even though a few days later he found the passwords for most of them. I've asked him to stop editing voluntarily until he completes his unbanning requirements, and I finally told him I'd block him if he did not attend to it. He's promised (for the nth time) that he knows all of the rules and will follow them. Without active, involved mentorship this editor can't keep editing here. I'll work with you to make sure that JA lives up to the standards of the community. Thanks, -Will Beback 08:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I wasnt aware of that. You see when people have problems with him they should notify the mentors. Sure, I'll gladly work with you. -- Catchi? 22:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually user:Linuxbeak has been contacted several times, both by me and other users, and he finally asked if I could try to find someone else to take over for him. Also, I posted several messages to Wikipedia talk:Mentorship Committee. Anyway, let's move forward. -Will Beback 00:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I should have payed more atention to that talk page. My apologies. Lets move forward at warp speed -- Catchi? 00:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Articles
I have reverted your edit on batman page for god knows how many times now. I recommend you have a read of WP:NPOV. I'd hate to spend the time fileing another rfc.
I am under the impresion you are here to expand and improve wikipedia. You need to be able to work with others rather than senselessly revert them screeming "That is POV".
I have argued on the talk page for every edit I have contributed. If you please argue your case, we will be able to understand your reasoning and thus have better chances for corporating rather than just reverting. Please see the relevant talk page. Bertilvidet 09:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
An edit summary explains what I was doing. I have explained myself clearly. Even on the talk page. -- Catchi? 21:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Meow
Syrian Kurdistan has been deleted and redirected to Kurds in Syria, same should be done with Turkish Kurdistan. Can you nominate it for deletion or show me how I can. Thank you and kolay gelsin.--Kagan the Barbarian 10:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Similar to syrian Kurdistan article. Should be treated the same. What do you tink? -- Catchi? 22:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
On face value, yes. I've seen that article and wondered the same myself. However, in issues I know little about I prefer to wait and see what more knowledgeable editors have to say first. The closing comments of mine you have quoted, for example, were made when I'd had the chance to review the entire debate and were meant to summarise what had happened. Thanks for the heads up though. --kingboyk 22:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
There is also an Iranian Kurdistan. All thsese articles were started by same people in very little time. -- Catchi? 22:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Probably best to deal with them all at the same time then. You could be bold and just redirect, but a joint AFD would probably be better as I think it's best to take potentially controversial issues to the community. You can tag that page with the subst'd AFD tag, save it, and then edit the AFD link to point to the AFD you just started. Then just add a mention to the AFD article that you're actually placing 2 (or more) articles for the community's consideration not just the one. --kingboyk 22:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I understand you arent knowlegable on the topic, but what do you think of Category:Kurdistan? What article would belong to this category? -- Catchi? 22:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just cracked open a bottle of wine (Shiraz again) so I'll answer that tommorow:) --kingboyk 22:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Wine is good. Dont drink and derive tho. It'd be bad calculus. -- Catchi? 22:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi there
Can I have your e-mail address please? --ManiF 01:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
You can email me by clicking the @ link on my signature. -- Catchi? 01:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I tried, but the @ link on your signature doesn't work. --ManiF 01:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
This is the message I get "This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users." --ManiF 01:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Try again. Sorry there was a minor issue I had to fix. -- Catchi? 01:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Vote Stacking on Kurdish-related votes
I saw your complaint, very true. Here are some more evidence in case you needed them:
I want to make the article more like List of Oh My Goddess episodes a comparasion chart. Would you support that? -- Catchi? 20:15, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I would support a comparison table if I thought we had authoritative sources on these classes, but as far as I know we do not. The classes listed on this page are pretty much all classes where a starship was mentioned once in dialogue (and we've later told belong to a certain classes) or a starship appeared once in a listing on a monitor for x number of frames. As far as I know we don't have authoritative sources on them, so it ends up with people constantly "correcting" the statistics one way or the other depending on some fan non-canon source. AlistairMcMillan 01:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
There are piblished wikipedia "encyclopedias" that have comparasion charts as well as technical drawings. I do not know if this is cannon but if it is it can be very useful in creating a comparasion chart. -- Catchi? 20:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
this is another chart. Again I am not certain if it is cannon but it does look like those technical drawings we see on various star trek publications. -- Catchi? 20:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I was being a little disingenuous. There are no authoritative sources for statistics on the different starships in Star Trek. If you look at the various talk pages on the starships or the different classes, you'll see that we don't even have statistics for the ships that appeared every week. Talk:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D)
The two images you linked to are based on fans extrapolating figures as best as they can. I have done my best to derive reasonable figures, though.AlistairMcMillan 20:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Fine how about using the technical manuals you mentioned on the talk page of Enterprise D for the comparasion? I reliase there may be inconsistencies but we can have two columns, one for DS9 and one for TNG -- Catchi? 23:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Great. Then another column for the Star Trek Encyclopedia for when it contradicts the Technical Manuals. Another column for actual series dialogue when it contradicts the Manuals and the Encyclopedia. And another column for production staff who designed the ships, for when they contradicted the Manuals, the Encyclopedia, and the series dialogue. You see where this is going, right? And this is just the Galaxy class. If you don't believe me, then take some time to read through sites like ex-astris-scientia.org. Please believe me there are no consistent sets of specs for the starships in Star Trek. AlistairMcMillan 23:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes an excelently informative article comparing the technical manuals and roughly copares the ship. If you do not want to assist I can understand that but I think we have material to cover. We can leave out fannon, no problem and stick to cannon and semi cannon sources. Starfleet ranks and insignia is a greater mess if you think about it, but look at the article. -- Catchi? 00:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
You are not listening to me. There are no authoritative sources for statistics on even the ships that we saw regularly. The few sources we have for these statistics all contradict each other. Then you have the ships that only appeared in a single episode or were only mentioned in passing in dialogue... there is nothing useful that can be said about them that doesn't stray into fanon or speculation. AlistairMcMillan 01:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
You are right I am not listening. Do you know where can I aquire data on Star Trek Tech Manuals online? -- Catchi? 22:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Are you asking where can you get the manuals? eBay and Amazon both have them. If you insist on going ahead with this, can you please start your efforts at a temp page somewhere. So that once you discover for yourself that the statistics are not available, it is easy for someone to tidy up afterward. AlistairMcMillan 23:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Who Updates the template. I made a suggestion like 6 hours ago, and nothing has happened. In a day or so it will be irrelevant (2006 Commonwealth Games). --HamedogTalk|@ 12:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure how that page is processed. -- Catchi? 20:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
vote for khoi..
Hi,
Sorry for wasting your time, Khoi. who has always problems with Turk related articles will be an admin, unless you vote for opposition. []--TuzsuzDeliBekir 14:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Vandalism
Someone intentionally or unintentionally vandalized your History of Turkey templates, can you revert them, I couldn't. Regards.--Kagan the Barbarian 20:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I appologize Coolcat
You were not Karabekir, while my research shows you were implicated in the Febuary 10s lobbying, Tommiks was behind those alias. , .
I admit when I am wrong. Fad(ix) 01:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Glad that was cleared, next time I suggest you try opening hailing frequencies before firing all phasers. -- Catchi? 01:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Here a proposition for you, as I have shown in my evidence page, a merging test is the best way to track socks(but not vandals with no specific interests)), how hard would it be to write such a program? I have some ideas on the type of tests the program should do. With this kind of test introduced in checkuser, it will be much more difficult for a user to hide behind socks. It could answer with a correlation value and a probabilistic% that this is due to chance with a comparative sample. Fad(ix) 01:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Checkuser and this are completely two diferent procedures.
Checkuser is someone determining if two aliases are the same based on IP as well as logs. Every edit made comes with a number of unique signatures establishing who made the edit. It is possible to fool a number of them but people who checkuser are fairly through with this. Generaly persistant socks such as User:MARMOT don't require checkuser to be blocked anyways. Only very few users have this kind of access. I am not even entrusted with admin privilages so I cant quite assist you with this one just yet.
I asked User:Interiot for something like that quite a while ago. His hands are generally full and he may need a reminder. This is a delicate process though. You do not want to use arbitrary percentages accusing random people. It is possible to have false positives for two unrelated people of which one contributes weekdeays and another weekends. I do not know how hard the programming would be but for Interiot it would be a walk in the park.
I know how checkuser work, I just thought that it would be good if this kind of method is incorporated, and% are not really arbitrary, it depends on the type of rules you set, comparing with a heterogenous sample. Study of the heterogenouty or homogenouty of the continuity between two different users might be enought, this coupled with word search on the contribution summaries or the articles title with a correlation or regression test from the center, more proximal the other users contribution in the same article or articles containing the same word to the user, higher the confidence rate. It would be easy to fake checkuser, but not such a test. -—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadix (talk • contribs)
Trust me I debated this to death with a number of people. Giving numbers is bad practice as people would start banning other people based on percentages which does not necesarily mean they are sockpuppets. People often edit wikipedia after work and due to workhours and/or timezones lots of people will appear as sockpuppets. An american and a chineese can edit the same article for months with a sockpuppet patern. I do feel such a tool is necesary but I am skeptical how usefull it would be. -- Catchi? 20:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Bluebot made the above edit, removing the GA Tag, dispite the article holding that status. Can you see any reason why this has occured? --HamedogTalk|@ 09:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I am not certain, you may want to ask the bot owner, User:Bluemoose -- Catchi? 09:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Collaboration
Cool Cat, it seems that we have several common points of interest concerning contemporary Turkey and minority issues is in Turkey. It is also clear that we have differing approaches, at least to the quite sensitive Kurdish question. IMHO our differing approaches should be considered as a strength in order to write well-balanced articles on the issues. If we admit our differences, I am certain that we can write really good NPOV articles. This requires, however, a mutual respect for the other's view, willingness to discussions, refrain from personal attacks and mutually assuming good faith. Lots of work is indeed to improve Turkey-related articles. I suggest that we collaborate about this important task. You are hereby invited. Bertilvidet 11:56, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I have no problem respecting other peoples views. It appears large masses do not honor the same concept which is a problem. Your concerns regarding civility is mutual, in any debate I expect nothing less from you. I also do not want to see any other example of vote stacking, there is no good faith in creating an artificial conensus.
I suggest we deal with a few problematic users first. I do not want them to interfere with our colaborations on such a sensative set of articles.
Having said all that you must realise where I am standing. I have nothing against the Kurds in general, however I object the portraying of them as if they own the place. Fortunately/unfortunately they don't and even Iraqi Kurds report to Bagdad.
Some Kurds do campaign for an independent state and wikipedia has a palce for them at their own article: Kurdish nationalism. Elsewhere it becomes prolematic. (note that this article does not exist)
The region they campaign for also has its own article: Kurdistan. I do not like such a thing being treated as a geographic region in lead and later treated like a proposed nation.
I also suggest keeping a {{POV}} tag on more contraversial articles such as Kurdistan until article becomes a Featured article and hence demonstrate NPOV to its fullest extent.
Is there a problem with that so far? -- Catchi? 14:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your praise of mutual respect and civility, and in continuation of this my edits and opinions are not determined by what you want.
I dont understand what you mean by "I suggest we deal with a few problematic users first". Who are they, how are they problematic? We cannot prevent other users from interfering in our collaboration, indeed it is the nature of Wikipedia that anyone can edit and question whatever we write.
As long as a large number of people define them as Kurds, and refer to the place they live as Kurdistan or Turkish Kurdistan (which indicate an accept of the Turkish state) it is my conviction that this term deserves an article here - of course an article that outlines the political and geographical facts. I respect that you disagree on this, and will collaborate in improving the coverage whatever the outcome will be.
The {{POV}} tag should be used with cautiousness. If there are legitimate concerns about the neutrality it is fair to use the tag. In that case, I will however, prefer that the critical points are entered into the article so that it becomes balanced / NPOV. Bertilvidet 15:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Look, some middle easterners refer to the US as the devil. We do not move it to Devil (country).
Kurdistan is an acceptable term for an article not because what kurds call the place, but because its is citable on a variety of sources as well as being a proposed country otherwise it would be a simple redirect or perhaps a disambiguation page.
However, Turkish Kurdistan is not as acceptable. After all only Kurds (and perhaps only some) referance the place as such and while rest of the nation and planet refer to the place as soultheastern anatolia. Turkey has 7 geographic regions recognised by the goverment as well as the international community hence no one can object. We can use those rather than a contraversial name such as 'Turkish Kurdistan' which means 'Turkish lands owned by the Kurds' as per dictionary definiton. This is a breaches npov. Also why do we have to use the word Kurdistan?
It is however notable enough to be a redirect, just not notable enough to be the article. We do not want two articles explaining the same place. That is why redirects exist and that is why they were created. I do not believe I am being unreasonable here.
The point of {{POV}} is to get community attention. It might sometimes be best for unrelated parties to detect bias we may not necesarily see. Let me elaborate using fiction,
For an average Romulan citizen, Klingons are a brutal and irrational race of savage people who smell bad.
For the Klingons they are a brave race of warriors following Khalesses teachings superior to every other race.
NPOV would be neither of course but a 3rd party would be better in choosing the NPOV way rather than a Romulan or Klingon citizen. {{POV}} does not mean the article is to be ignored but it just means article is biased and needs attention. A third party can only know about the dispute if it is advertised. This may take days or even a month. This is how contraversial topics are processed on wikipedia and sometimes a {{POV}} tag is intentionaly left such as on PKK.
Hi Cool Cat, I do understand why some editors prefer the more compact version of the statement, but I see the sensibility of the issue. I can live with either version, as long as the (claimed, if you like) predominance of Kurds is mentioned. Apart from that, I'm fine.--Hippalus 15:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
An afterthought: as there seems to be a consensus that Southeastern Anatolia does have a predominantly Kurdish population, I think I prefer the version without the explicite statement that this is a claim by the BBC - the current revision, that is. Why? Because that statement is misleading. It isn't just one controversial claim by the BBC. Those articles of the BBC and the Guardian, and Globalsomethingdotorg, accept those data as established facts. I don't know if they are right in doing so, but if those facts need to be contested, they should be contested first on the talk page of Kurds in Turkey or Kurdistan. If the consensus there changes, those changes can be reflected on articles like Batman, Turkey. I don't think pages with little traffic like Batman, Turkey or even Talk:Batman, Turkey are the right arena for such discussions. What do you think?--Hippalus 13:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Please don't remove the inline reference to the municipal website. Even though it is a double reference, it is valid here, as it the source of the population figure. Cheers,--Hippalus 15:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Why not use ref? Ill apply this. -- Catchi? 15:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, I had a look, and that sure ia a good solution. Now the only issue left on the article is the Kurdish one...;-) --Hippalus 16:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes and I do not see a reason for a discussion. We cant talk about demographics without a census. -- Catchi? 16:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, I noticed you just reverted Batman, Turkey to the 'BBC version'. You probably didn't read my last comment on the talk page when you did that. Could you please read my comment, and consider reverting your reverts back to the 'proposal version'? I would really appreciate such a move. I know I'm asking much of you, but I believe it is important we all treat this matter in a constructive way. Are you willing to work with me on reaching a solution? Thanks a lot!--Hippalus 19:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I do not accept a disclaimer not here but on any article. How many articles do you know that has disclaimers?
Wikipedia is not a soapbox. I can't comprimise just because Bertilvidet demands esspecialy when what he suggest is talking about ethnicity fractions without a census to base it on. His argument is a set of wesle words at best.
Hows it going? -- Catchi? 20:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm alright thank you kind sir, how are you? — FireFox • T[20:40, 27 March 2006]
At a state of confusion, getting worn out by endless pov debates by people who compit behaviour that would get me blocked in ten seconds and the ten seconds is only because of the lag between admin and wikipedia servers. Also quite lonely since my removal from #wikipedia-en-vandalism. I begun to think essjay as an egomaniac which probably is bad judgement on my part due to the ongoing neural shock. It is really rare for a founder to be booted off of the enviorment he created. -- Catchi? 20:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I was actualy curious if anyone cared my ejection from the channel. I dont want to pester angela if people hate me (a gereal fashion these days). Also I am having a difficult time on wikipedia due to a number of people and would appriciate any help. -- Catchi? 21:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Engineering to FireFox, do you copy? -- Catchi? 18:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
AN/I Discussion
There are now 3 outside views who agree with my refutation of your claims, one who accuses you of violating WP:AGF and an admin who says your verging on violating WP:CIVIL. You may wish to pull the complaint before you dig yourself in too far a hole. -Mask 04:06, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
An Administrator has closed the discussion. I'd ask you to only bring up serious and verified complaints in the future. -Mask 01:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!
Hey Cool Cat, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 05:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Kurdish Cat
Dude, please stop removing the Kurdish category from pages; this category has survived the CFD attempts and categorizing areas by ethnic population is legitimate and encyclopedic. --Moby 08:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Pov pushing is not welcome on wikipedia. Boudries of kurdistan is strictly confined at northern iraq. Anywhere else its highly contraverisal. What you are doing is like the tagging of Paris, France under Category:Germany. -- Catchi? 15:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey. Whats the deal with all these cats e.g. Kurdish cuisine does every single Kurd article deserve a category!?
--Kash 23:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Categories ment to be navigation aids. Yes all kurdish related articles may have a category. I object the usage of Kurdistan on random provinces of choice of a random wikipedia editor who doesn't even necesarily know english (Muhamed case). -- Catchi? 06:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/RfAr Armenian Genocide
Please do not remove the link again. I am very serious about this. I will eventully prepare my case for arbitration, I just haven't gotten to it yet. -- Catchi? 18:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that you placed a misleading link (I still have yet to see proper steps and procedure pertaining to dispute resolution). I guarantee the Arbitration Committee will reject this nonsense over a heated naming convention; please don't do that kind of stuff, it's silly. -ZeroTalk 18:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Issue isn't about a naming convention but more about Fadix as well as others dominating the article not allowing contribution from anyone but people they agree with as well as accusing them of being my sockpuppets or me being theirs.
Fadix for instance have reverted me with the edit summary of pov pushing when my edit was spelling corrections (this was long ago). My latest request was to the inclusion of the turkish referance of the incident which was whelmingly opposed but eventualy added to the article. Even something so basic had taken me weeks of "discussion". It was later removed regardless. This is unaccceptable as per WP:OWN.
Weather or not if arbitration will accpet the case or not is to be seen when I submit my case. I am waiting for the arbitration queue to heal a bit. I am also overwhelmed with the mess I am dealing with atm most notably on the three rfcs.
I wanted to give you a heads up about this new "watchdog" in town, Wikipedia:Hurriyya_notice_board, you have been mentioned on it --Kash 23:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Since we have discussed something similar. What do you think of the tagging of random Turkish provinces with this category? Please note that there has been no offical recognition of such a claim. -- Catchi? 16:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat - to be honest, I'd rather not get any further involved in this - my argumants with regard to the stub category weren't based on any political views on my part, simply on standard stub sorting practice. I know too little about the political issues involved in the area to support either side over the other in general terms. Grutness...wha? 01:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
The main poblem is no one knows anything about it, however people are quick to keep the category. The issue has little to do with politics but is more about people drawing the borders of the proposed country by using categories. I can understand why admins evade pov arguments but there is more to this than just my pov. If I were to tag Paris France under a Category:Germany this would be a violation of WP:POINT and I would be blockded (rightfully), I'd like this category to be treated the same. -- Catchi? 06:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Mm. I see what you mean. I'd suggest posting about it on WP:AN - chances are you'd get two or three admins there who do know a little about it and who haven't already put themselves offside with one side of the argument via SFD. I'm just concerned that - having already weighed in on the subject there, to do the same elsewhere will make it look like I am on one clear side in this (which I'm not - I can understand both sides of the argument). Certainly something needs to be done to make sure that Wikipedia doesn't appear to be supporting Kurdish independence via stealth. ISTR something similar has happened in the past with articles relating to Macedonia and "Macedonian Greece", so there are admins with expertise on this sort of topic. Grutness...wha? 06:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I clearly understand your standing. You dont want to appear to be taking sides but I think that is exactly why people are hesitant in interfereing with this kind of behaviour which is why it is continuing.
I mean take a look at the case of vote stacking on Turkish Kurdistan's vfd, an obvious pov fork. Why was it not treated the same as Syrian Kurdistan? The VfD ended unconclusively with the help of the 15 extra votes gathered. I suspect admins were hesitant to touch it in fear of accusations of "Anti-Kuridsh" POV.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 19:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Batman revisited
Hi there Cool Cat, thanks for your reaction. I see you still have some issues with the temporal version. I'll try to adress them here. First of all, as far as I can see the 'proposal' version doesn't contain weasle words. If you do see them, could you point them out to me? We might change those. Secondly, your concern about the 'disclaimer-message'. I think it is inevitable we have a disclaimer here and there in a collaborative encyclopedia like this one. A lot of Wikipedia's articles actually contain disclaimers. The POV-tag is the most famous disclaimer message, probably. However, I think a 'disclaimer' in a footnote is more encyclopedic than a POV-tag. References and footnotes are a procedure used very often in science circles, and generally approved of. I think they will make this a better encyclopedia.
Okay, a last request. Have a look at the 'proposal' version for a second time. Could you please tell me whether the 'disclaimer'-footnote covers your concern on the unverifiability of the demographic statement? And if that is the case, could you consider leaving it to the readers to decide whether he accepts the statement as true or not, till we find a better compromise? Cheers,--Hippalus 19:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey
I do not accept any dislaimer of any kind. {{POV}} ment to be a short term disclaimer. Your disclaimer ment to last till census which is slightly less than 10 years asuming that census will check ethnicity. This has nothing to do with my satisfaction or not. You cannot suggest something then talk about how baseless it is in a disclaimer.
The argument by the other party of the discussion is nothing but weasle words.
I realise you are trying hard to come up with a middle ground. Sadly I do not see a middle ground and am not willing to comprimise from my stance at the moment.
Hey there. I appreciate you took the time to understand what I'm trying to get at. Yeah, I did notice you aren't really open for middle grounds at the moment. It was worth the try looking for them though, wasn't it? Hey, my eye happened to fall on your wikimood index, and I am starting to wonder whether your present uncompromising stance on Batman, Turkey, has anything to do with circumstances elsewhere on Wikipedia. In that case, you might want to consider giving yourself some time to cool down. Maybe in a few days you'll find the energy to work on compromises and consensus again. Yours, --Hippalus 22:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I really appriciate the time and effort you are putting into this. You do understand why I am not comprimising although it really has nothing to do with my wikimood. I contribute to a large range of topics. I am more that willing to comprimise on Fall of Constantinople for instance. On Batman, Turkey however I can't comprimise as I am not willing to accept census data w/o a census. -- Catchi? 12:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, true, census data without a census would sure be weird. But hey, there seems to be a misunderstanding somewhere. As far as I can see, nobody claims those are census data! The 'proposal-version' even explicitely state that there are in fact no census data.
But anyways, I must express my thanks that you didn't revert the article. That is admirable conduct. Also thanks for asking a neutral third party for his view (when you mentioned your wide range of interest, I had a peek at your 'recent contributions'). I will second your request. Have a nice wiki-evening!--Hippalus 16:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes and without census data we dont mention fractions of ethnicities elsewhere and when we do mention we explicitly state a census hadnt taken place. I havent reverted because its pointless, revert wars are disruptive. -- Catchi? 18:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, I'm glad you look at it that way. I totally agree.--Hippalus 20:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Any idea why the template isn't showing up? It should be on my page but its vanished, and I'm not seeing it anywhere else other than the template page. TKE 18:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
{{wdefcon}} looks fine to me....:/ -- Catchi? 09:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't know what happened. The template disappeared for a coupld hours yesterday around when I posted this, but it came back. It was probably because of all the commotion on the servers, lots of changes about. Anyway, thanks, nevermind. Oh and you are welcome for the translation! TKE 18:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
It was a misplaced noinclude tag, I noticed it too, and I fixed it. Prodegotalk 19:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. But you should know no good deed goes unpunished as per Rule #285. I shall fix your userpage. -- Catchi? 22:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen this, your name is there? --ManiF 06:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. -- Catchi? 09:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
link to porn sites on user page
I removed the link to porn sites that you placed on your user page. Wikipedia may not be censored for the protection of minors, but I do not believe that you are allowed to have porn links on your user page. - Conrad Devonshire 06:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I dont know if I should be annoyed or happy. This means two things:
People actualy read my userpage.
I offended people which annoys me.
Very well, I shall not interfere. -- Catchi? 09:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Category: Kurdistan
For your information: the question which articles should have the tag 'Category:Kurdistan' is currently being discussed at Category talk:Kurdistan. Yours,--Hippalus 13:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know, however I feel I can contribute little to the debate. Noone there is willing to listen, that includes me as well. -- Catchi? 17:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, Cool Cat, I just thought you might be interested to voice your opinion. But true, it is better not to join debates in which you are not willing to listen. The reason why I suggested moving the debate to Category talk:Kurdistan is not to give POV-pushers a better chance, but because I saw a new revert war (on the Kurdistan-tag) dawning in Batman. At least editors of all POV's will find their way to Category talk:Kurdistan, which I think is a good thing. I might not join the debate myself, though.--Hippalus 22:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem is if wikipedia policies were enforced I wouldnt be debating. No one would tolerate if I were to tag paris with a Category:Germany or Category:Germanistan. Frankly I was hoping it would be resolved w/o my pov comments at the cfd. But no. A lot of the people voted keep simply to annoy me. Not because of what they felt approporate. You might have already realised but I have a wide range of enemies and perhaps no allies on wikipedia. Even people I trust end up turning their back on me with quite lousy timing. I could whine all day, but it wouldn't do me or you any good.
To keep it short, please pardom me if I am not enthusiastic of any debate involving Kurdistan category on wikipedia.
It has nothing to do with you as if you were trying to annoy me you would come up with something better. I honestly feel you were trying to help mediate the dispute. I attempted to mediate disputes before. All of which ended as a disaster because of the stalker's interference for that I was prohibited to mediate. I just hope you aren't discouraged by this, it really isn't your fault.
Result is unbelievable. Wikipedia is under the invasion of mobs. These people, with common objectives and agenda, form nameless groups and abuse the democracy here as much as they can. Insidious people, schemes, devious methods... I won't spare as much time for this crap as I did before, still I'll try to keep an eye whenever I can. I'd like to thank you for your efforts to counter these shameless POV pushers for so long just by yourself, you are the Lone Cat.
By the way, History of Turkey template is magnificent, best I've seen on Wikipedia, well done. Sağlıcakla kal ve kolay gelsin.--Kagan the Barbarian 16:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
That remains to be seen. I haven't spent any effort yet.
Oh and about the template, I am glad you liked it.
Thanks, I don't know where you've seen the design, I made it myself(which is why it is broken probably!). That is one of two thinks preventing me from using Firefox- I'm using Maxthon now - the other thing is one of my monobook features(an auto warn button) doesn't work in Firefox. Thanks for your help! Prodegotalk 23:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link of what looks like now, the arrows point to problems Image:User-Prodego in firefox.JPGProdegotalk 23:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Believe or not the design resembles mine in many aspects. But that applies to a lot of pages now. Is this what you want? -- Catchi? 12:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Well my first design I stole from you actualy, look in the history of User:Prodego/sidebar, and I didn't change the design too much in my new version. But, this new design I did design from scratch, and yes, I like it. Prodegotalk 14:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Dont get me wrong nothing makes me happier when people use my designs (I am refering to the wiki-stress meter structure).