Talk:Nigeria/Archive 1
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I feel something needs to be said about the overwhelming number of scammers using Nigeria as their base, but I'm not sure whether the paragraph I just added is fair to Nigeria. Does anyone have any concrete information on just what makes the country so popular a choice with scammers? Brian Kendig 19:20, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- That'd indeed be quite interesting. One reason might be that Nigeria is a poor nation that has a lot of English speakers, but that can't be the only reason. This has been going on a long time, and the online form is only a modern incarnation. I wonder what the history of this is... Martijn faassen 19:43, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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I notice a mistake on this site the Hausa are not @/3 of Nigeria population , and they are not 2/3 of Nigeria land too, Abiola Lapite is just a fraud. He is of Hausa tribe, given wrong information to the world. When in the world, 16% of a population equal 2/3 of a population. or 1/5 land space equal 2/3... Please note he is wrong. YorubaMan
- YorubaMan, unfortunately the way you contribute (with personal attacks) is not really making it very likely that others will take you very seriously. In contrast, Abiola Lapite seems articulate and a lot more polite. You will be more convincing if you become more like him. Martijn faassen 19:43, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
With regards to the edits that YorubaMan insists on repeatedly inserting into the articles on Nigeria and the Yoruba, a few points need to be made.
- The first is that there is no question that the former Northern Nigeria, the region that constitutes that portion of Nigeria above the Niger and Benue rivers, does indeed constitute 2/3 of the country's landmass.
- The second point that needs reiterating is that in the 2/3 of Nigeria's landmass under discussion, the Hausa and the Fulani (originally separate groups, and still so elsewhere in West Africa, but increasingly merged in Northern Nigeria since the Sokoto jihad of Usman dan Fodio), do indeed constitute the dominant group. This is a point no serious individual could possibly dispute.
- The third point that must be made is that there is not a *single* census in Nigeria's history that has ever put forward the claim that the Yoruba are the single largest ethnic group within that country, and to insist that the 1963 census (which, by the way, was just as disputed as all of those to follow, contrary to YorubaMan's claims) stated anything of the sort is simply a falsehood. The Hausa on their own were about the same in numbers as the Yoruba, while the Fulani consituted an additional 8 percent of Nigeria's population according to the census in question; the arithmetic is totally at variance with YorubaMan's claims, and this is one reason I labelled what he was doing propaganda.
- The fourth point that must be taken into account is that this arithmetic is also supported by the CIA World Factbook's entry on Nigeria, which states that the Hausa/Fulani together constitute 30% of the country's population. It was to provide at least one source anyone could look up that I added a link to the Factbook page on Nigeria at the bottom of the article.
- The fifth point that I must state is that calling others "frauds", and worse still, "Omo ale", "Ole" and "Oloriburuku" in the (evidently well-founded) hope that sysops, being non-Yoruba speakers, wouldn't pick up on just how abusive such language is, does not in any way mark one out as a constructive individual, while inserting the claim that the Hausa are "lazy" and "dirty" into the article about them is simply vandalism by Wikipedia's own definition of the term. For someone with whom I have no personal acquaintance whatsoever to accuse me of being "of Hausa tribe" is really quite astonishing, and I don't mean that in a good way; this is hardly the stuff of which credibility is made, is it?
- The sixth point to be made is that creating an orphan entry for Odua republic, a term used only by Yoruba separatists, and then filling said entry with a duplicate of the stuff one wishes could have gone into the main article on the Yoruba, without in any way providing an indication that the very phrase Odua Republic isn't standard usage outside of an extreme minority, is as blatant a sign that one's intention is propaganda as it is possible to give. I'm doubtful people would be equally tolerant of someone creating an entry for a hypothetical Republic of Quebec and treating it as if it were an article about an actually existing political entity.
Taken as a whole, I'd say that the Wikipedia admins have erred well on the side of tolerance of YorubaMan's activities, too far in fact, and as an individual with other things on my plate I need to attend to, I'm not inclined to indefinitely put forward time and energy maintaining the integrity of articles in the face of insult and profanity-laden assaults by trolls and ethnocentric propagandists, and to treat YorubaMan and I as if we were equally of benign intentions is a notion I find quite risible. YorubaMan clearly can't string a grammatical sentence together, doesn't really comprehend English at all well (witness his continued misinterpretation of the sentence about the Hausa-Fulani), has displayed little evidence of understanding the concept of evidence-based argument, and really ought to have been blocked ages ago. I'd be most astonished if he were able to muster a reasoned defense of his actions that didn't rely on profanities and was backed by reference to some actual evidence anyone could look up. Abiola Lapite 11:42, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
"The dominant ethnic group in the northern two-thirds of the country is the Hausa-Fulani"
Here is where I have problem with that page. I do believe the so call Abiola Lapite is a false,because Lapite is not a Yoruba name. I am Yoruba and I do believe no yoruba person would support fraud. The statement not true above.
There were census figure conducted and most of them, were incorrect. And this inaccurate fgure can not be use to determine Nigeria population. the 1988 census was never accepted, it was the 1963 census that is still been used. And the 1963 census put the Yoruba has the major ethnic group in Nigeria. I have live in Katsina. And travel wide and far in the state. There is not way that Kastina state can be more populated than Oyo state. I am not from Oyo state , by I have Also been to Oyo state. Ibadan only is 7 times the size of Katsina, but we have a census figure than says otherwise. Why should I accept that. there are only 5 secondary school in Kastina town and over 60 in Ibadan. Please check Unesco page for more information. there are only 884 village in Katsian and 2418 villages and town in OYo state. No town in Katsina state is has populated than Ogbomosho in Katsina state. I am willing to pay N100,000 to you and also pay for your trip to visit this two state and including accomodation and we would shoot video of the state and picture, and paste it on this site.
But just for now, let us use the 1988 census as a study point. Table 3. Number of Facilities Offering Family Planning Services or Supplies, by State and Population:
Abia 2,297,978 Adamawa 2,124,049 Akwa Ibom 2,359,736 Anambra 2,767,903 Bauchi 4,294,413 Benue 2,780,298 Borno 2,596,589 Cross River 1,865,604 Delta 2,570,181 Edo 2,159,848 Enugu 3,161,295 Imo 2,485,499 Jigawa 2,829,929 Kaduna 3,969,252 Kano 5,632,040 Katsina 3,878,344 Kebbi 2,062,226 Kogi 2,099,046 Kwara 1,566,469 Lagos 5,685,781 Niger 2,482,367 Ogun 2,338,570 Ondo 3,884,485 Osun 2,203,016 Oyo 3,488,789 Plateau 3,283,704 Rivers 3,983,857 Sokoto 4,392,391 Tarabab 1,480,590 Yobe 1,411,481 Abuja FCT 378,671 NIGERIA TOTAL 88,514,501
If you had up the Hausa/fulani figure you have less than 30%. And to correct you there is no ethnic group like Hausa /fulani. They are seperate from each other. the fulani are less than 6 million . while the hausa are less than 18 million.
In land area the Hausa and fulani land area when combine is just 1/5 of the land Area. And your statement claim it is 2/3. Plateau,Adamawa, Niger, Kogi, Kwara, benue, borno , and Yobe are not fulani and hausa land.
so in term of land space, your statement is wrong, and also in term of population. Please note that the section on question is talking about population. I would I posted all the name of villages and town of katsina and Oyo state just to prove my point on this site. but I believe there is not need. YorubaMan
- Well, there you have it. This self-appointed authority on all things Yoruba sees fit to tell me that I can't possibly of Yoruba ethnicity, and therefore I must not know what I'm talking about; how's that for convincing argument? The rest of his points are similarly underwhelming, as the only thing they illustrate is that his command of English is marginal at best. This guy is a troll, and if none of the admins care enough about accuracy to put an end to his activities, I'm throwing in the towel and moving on. Life is too short for this nonsense. Abiola Lapite 20:38, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- YorubaMan, you say that the "1988 census was never accepted" and that the data you are quoting is from the 1988 census. But the table you are quoting is from http://www.africa2000.com/PNDX/JHU-nigeria2.html, a web site about family planning which says that it includes the 1991 census data. Also, the web site of the Federal Government of Nigeria uses the 1991 census data, as you can see here.
- We use only official census data to provide numbers in geographic articles. Please tell us why you think the 1991 census is not accepted. silsor 00:46, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)
There is indeed a long history in Nigeria since 1963 of falsifying census data for political and other advantage. Allegations have long existed in Southern Nigeria that the Hausa dominated muslim north has systematically inflated census figures in order to increase the political representation and funding for the area, and to maintain northern dominance. Many experts consider some of these allegations to be well-founded. xandar
- Are there some references for this? Anyway, if we can find some expert confirmation for this we could add a short piece of text saying that the census figures are under some debate. Martijn faassen 23:05, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)